1945 LB No.4 Mk 1*(T)

[Cold_Zero]

Completing the Purchase of a 1945 Long Branch No.4 Mk 1*(T) 90L81xx, here are some pics for review and comment. The chest is not matched to the rifle and was painted over at some point, it is Canadian.

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[No4Mk1(T)]

REL No32MkIII scope number 168-C is featured on page 29 of Clive Law's book "Without Warning". As this book is currently the bible on Canadian sniper equipment I'm not sure anything I might say would be relevant.

[John R.]

You BUM you steala my scope ? The one on Pg 29 is MINE so obviously you bought Brian Dick's Rifle.Kinda cute I thought with my MkI and Brian's Mk3 having the same S/N

[rgg_7]

Scope 168 C belongs to rifle 71L0435. It is well documented in Clive Law's book "Without Warning" on pgs 29, 30, 31 and 52. It is a 1943 scope in a metal case and from my history notes....correct. Yours has an altered serial number. Your bracket serial number appears to be incomplete. My initial reaction is that your rifle is cobbled together.

Could you tell us where you purchased the rifle and when?

Could you post a picture of the wrist showing the scope number, the right side of the receiver ring and if the barrel is proof marked.

If it's more comfortable you can email me with you info rgg_7@hotmail.com. Comments are posted to help folks correctly identify these rare pieces. There will be differences of opinion.

[No4Mk1(T)]

Scope 168 C belongs to rifle 71L0435. It is well documented in Clive Law's book "Without Warning" on pgs 29, 30, 31 and 52. It is a 1943 scope in a metal case and from my history notes....correct. Yours has an altered serial number. Your bracket serial number appears to be incomplete. My initial reaction is that your rifle is cobbled together.

Could you tell us where you purchased the rifle and when?

Could you post a picture of the wrist showing the scope number, the right side of the receiver ring and if the barrel is proof marked.

If it's more comfortable you can email me with you info rgg_7@hotmail.com. Comments are posted to help folks correctly identify these rare pieces. There will be differences of opinion.

Rgg7 have a closer look at page 29. As JohnR eludes to in his post above yours there are two scopes with the serial number 168-C. In this case a No32MkI and a No32MkIII. The scope serial numbered to 71L0437 is a MKI and the scope in question here is a MkIII. It would seem that the serial numbers started over with each new mark of scope. I think it's safe to assume the rifles serial number on the bracket in the above photo is incomplete because it has been blanked out for personal security reasons. If you look closely at the photo on pg. 29 and the one above of the top of the scope the screw slots are even still at the same angles.

[Lee Enfield]

Scope 168 C belongs to rifle 71L0435. It is well documented in Clive Law's book "Without Warning" on pgs 29, 30, 31 and 52. It is a 1943 scope in a metal case and from my history notes....correct. Yours has an altered serial number. Your bracket serial number appears to be incomplete. My initial reaction is that your rifle is cobbled together.
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If it's more comfortable you can email me with you info rgg_7@hotmail.com. Comments are posted to help folks correctly identify these rare pieces. There will be differences of opinion.

rgg,
please do some serious research before making statements which could be interpreted as accusing people of fraud, your knowledge of LB snipers & REL scopes appears to be seriously lacking.

I would suggest reading the "collector comments" from the photo section of this site. 1945 Enfield No.4 Mk1*(T) Long Branch Sniper Rifle - Military Surplus Collectors Forums
and page 54 of "Without Warning" the "REL Story"

[Brian Dick]

Hey John, I'm glad someone here is perceptive. Yeah, it's mine. It's absolutely excellent and matching throughout. I hope the misinformation perpetrated by rgg 7 works, (I'm sure he just doesn't know the facts about REL production so there's no offense taken), and the buyer renegs because I know I'll never be able to replace it. You all know how I love my No.4T's! The fact is as you and Harry eluded to; that these scopes had the same serial number runs as Mk.1, Mk.1A, Mk.2 and Mk.3. I'd like to think they made a thousand of each but that figure is most likely high as REL never placed a priority on building riflescopes. Have a great weekend.

[Peter Laidler]

Woweeeee RGG7, how could you make such a basic mistake and THEN put it into print in a way that could be almost libelous. I hope that BDL is in a generous mood today.................................

Write out 100 times before tea time 'I must engage brain before putting pen into gear in future'

Lets all hope that making light of it smothers things........................

[Badger]

Write out 100 times before tea time 'I must engage brain before putting pen into gear in future

Flashback ...

I just remembered a teacher who made me write something like that 100 times back in the 3rd grade, when I wrote a nasty four letter word starting with "F" on the blackboard.... and she caught me ...

Regards,
Badger

[Brian Dick]

Shame on you Doug!!

Seriously, There are many experts out there as I've found out over the years. Unfortunately, I'm not one of them because I'm still learning and will NEVER know it all about anything. As I've said before though, I know who to ask the hard questions. I also buy books and try to digest as much as I can. ATB.