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    Darren,
    Absolutely right there.
    The EOTech 551 was designed for CQB work, inside dwellings dealing with Quick Reaction drills where a red or green dot gave a fast response to any target that presented itself, not hostile "Open" environments like the battlefield or locations in bright sunlight like Iraq or indeed Afghanistan or even Brighton Beach on a good day!!
    The sight shown is a total compromise and ripoff of the 551 in my opinion but reversed for whatever technical reason...............my gut feeling is the word GUCCI came into the overall planning and design
    'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Laidlericon View Post
    Folding butts NEVER improve with age. They always go slack...........
    One of the best folding stock arrangements I've come across is the Chinese Type 81, it has a (steel) tapered latch which "tightens" as it wears.

    The (aluminum) FAL Para stock (and less so it's Galil decendent) have the annoying tendency to be damaged by gorilla users improperly attempting to open them...
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    Has the soldier just completed inserting/changing the magazine or is he using it as an improvised "grip"? I thought that the use of a weapon's magazine as any sort of a grip was a definite no no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying10uk View Post
    I thought that the use of a weapon's magazine as any sort of a grip was a definite no no?
    It's a definite myth in most cases, there are all sorts like this floating about, some exist for various reasons but generally if the weapon and magazine are in good order, holding the magazine as a fore grip is a rather common practice. For example the old Canadianicon Thermold C7 magazines might break if rough handled, but the new one are used as monopods during shooting in some cases, it's not an official school of thought but it will get those few extra points is your PWT is going poorly.

    Now there are some guns that are loose enough in the mag housing or well to incur stoppages but most are sturdy enough. Service weapons can't be delicate or fussy, otherwise they make poor service weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Boyd View Post
    The EOTech 551 was designed for CQB work, inside dwellings dealing with Quick Reaction drills where a red or green dot gave a fast response to any target that presented itself, not hostile "Open" environments like the battlefield or locations in bright sunlight like Iraq or indeed Afghanistan or even Brighton Beach on a good day!!
    I broached this one day here and was shouted down by several that swore they could do minute of firepail with them at 200...I tend to agree that in reasonable light, not ultra bright...and reasonable conditions they're fine. Over in the open extreme light, I'll take iron. Unfortunately, I'll have to borrow a young man's eyes. Thus the red dots now. Lasers take too much time to mess with and are a light source detected by passive IR eyewear. That's what instinctive shooting was taught for.
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    Jim,
    Thats just it. Neither were EVER designed to be used in open range scenarios. They work in low light and dark because thats the nature of the frequency they operate on, but it is the maths applied to the science, as you need an awful lot of output power to get a laser to perform reliably in Middle East sunshine or any sunshine for that matter. I wish them well if they hope to use that sight on that weapon that far forward on the rail with the Red/Green dot.

    Both the EOTech and Lasers are brilliant when used for what they were intended.....CQB, indoors, house clearing where you need eyes up your backside and both well and truly open, thats if it aint twitching heavily...half crown sixpence comes to mind.

    CQB - Most frightening type of use of manpower!
    'Tonight my men and I have been through hell and back again, but the look on your faces when we let you out of the hall - we'd do it all again tomorrow.' Major Chris Keeble's words to Goose Green villagers on 29th May 1982 - 2 PARA

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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    minute of firepail
    Is that the Canadianicon version of "Minute of Dinner Plate" Jim?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrclark303 View Post
    "Minute of Dinner Plate"
    It's a bit finer than "Barndoor"...which is finer than "Ballparkish".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gil Boyd View Post
    CQB - Most frightening type of use of manpower!
    Not that most of us ever doubted it, but one of the most educational training experiences was the use of SIMUTION, those 9mm conversion kits that have a non-lethal plastic bullet with a daub of paint in them, Blue for the good guys, Red paint for the bad guys rounds. The old MILES gear worked well enough but wasn't taken seriously because it was just Lazer tag. The SIM added that aspect of of Pain that puts things in perspective.

    While the SIM rounds were non-lethal they were still a down loaded 9mm round and hurt when you got hit in the soft of fleshy bits. Doing CQB drills you realized the First and often second guy into a defended room are hit, likely killed, every single time. It's bad work if conducted against a prepared enemy. Luckily any of the house clearing we did overseas found either empty rooms, or non-combatants, for reasons unknown, or luck but still counted with my thanks, the Insurgents never booby trapped rooms/doors as I had read about accounts of the Germans, Viet-Cong etc doing during their operations.

    Back to the Simunition, one telling thing was during one training event, we were clearing a mock house with a long hallway, and we were stacked along it. Just before we went to breech, inexplicably the PL Commander stepped out from well behind us and fired 3 quick rounds, all three made a very nice group of blue paint in the back plate of our Machine Gunner Cpl. Mikey C. We all turned, and shouted some profane remarks and rather than offering explanation he just withdrew and disappeared. It does explain why good guys and bad guys get different coloured paint rounds...
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    Mmmm, To my mind, this weapon raises a question.

    The recoil from 7.62mm Is fairly hard. With a MUCH shorter Barrel length, the muzzle flash WILL be VERY bright indeed! As unburnt propellant exits the barrel & then burns much faster. Upon meeting 'fresh Air'!......

    Combine the two above observations, with QCB work. & you have a 'Difficult' scenario it would seem. No?....

    Full auto into the mix, And. well.....You see what I mean? I think this Rifle is a Rework of a standard FAL to boost sales personaly. Add a 'Fashionable' Picatiny Rail, now 'Standard' Optical sight, more bells & whistles. An Hey Presto! It's a 'New' Weapon on the Market!!

    Would I personally choose to use one in 'The Field' / Operations?......No Thank you, ill Pass on that!....Just my own thoughts on this.

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