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    ~ FAL Know-Nothing Seeks Random Information on Newly Acquired Item

    Hello:
    Posted below are some pictures of an item recently acquired. The rifle is an FN FAL type in 7.62 NATO. It is an Austrian STG kit built upon a Century Arms marked receiver. Better informed persons have stated that this "widows peak" type receiver is actually an IMBEL manufactured component. Are there any specific markings, codes or features to verify the maker of the receiver?

    Within the magazine well, there is etched or maybe stamped, the word "METRIC". A number of the original Austrian STG parts have numbers that match. In my limited knowledge, the flash hider appear to be original for an STG-58 FAL. All in all, it is at the least, a cool looking battle rifle.

    The carry handle is not present. Would anybody know how a replacement handle might mount within that slot?

    Any info is much appreciated. Thanks in advance . . .








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    See the "dimpled" part betwee the receiver and the handguard? That unscrews from the receiver. The same spanner wrench that is used to adjust the gas system is used to unscrew this part. Once the part is unscrewed you can slide the carrying handle into the slot. Reinstall the part you unscrewed. A projection on that part goes through the hole in the carrying handle and secure the handle to the rifle. It does appear that the Muzzle device is the original Stg58 device, which is illegal in California as it is a grenade launching decive. I won't shoot too many round at one time as the metal handguards get hot really fast. Look close at the receiver marking I think if the reciever is an Ibel it should be marked MADE IN BRAZIL.

    I suggest you get a manual for the FAL!

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    re: Launching Muzzle Grenades in California

    Hello: First off, thanks for the info. Now I need to locate a carry handle assembly.

    Actually have no plans to visit California anytime soon and wouldn't likely take along the STG FAL anyway.

    Had figured to remove the original grenade launcher - flash hider and install one of those long bird cage things. Then I began to think about a remotely possible use. Have no understanding of the configuration for the Austrian/NATO rifle mounted grenade launcher with related apparatus. Thought perhaps that it might be possible to launch tear gas canisters or maybe paint balls from the thing. Need to look into this further.

    Had somebody strongly suggest getting rid of both the folding bipod and metal handguards. Thing is . . . this rifle was not acquired for casual plinking down at the range.

    Since the intended use of this rifle is somewhat specialized, at least for the time being, the bi-pod with original forward metal grips shall remain. This is what I call a, "Driveway Gun". Wanted a reliable rifle that fired military standard heavy caliber round that was magazine fed and semi-auto. The Austrian STG 58 FAL with bi-pod was my first choice.

    We have long driveways out front here with an open area. Should there be a social crisis that turns ugly. . . it's figured that motorized marauders may naturally roll up those direct pathways towards the house.

    Need the ability to take out vehicles at a hundred or two feet distance and whittle the enemy down a bit. A well aimed magazine or two of .308 full metal jacket should do a decent job of wreaking havoc.

    The idea is to keep the bandits as far away as possible from the house and hopefully cause the miscreants to retreat. That's my only real chance. Though we've got a couple of riot shotguns and other small arms on hand, I'm really not looking forward to the possibility of doing close up battle with multiple bad guys inside the house. In that situation . . . odds are that one or two persons inside the home would not survive an armed attack by numerous intruders.

    It is my idea that a well positioned FAL rifle with bi-pod could be handled like a BAR squad weapon used from an elevated vantage point as cover to a specific area. Anyway . . . those the happy thoughts for today. Thanks again . .
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    I would suggest you also visit the FAL Files. Lots of information there also. A for a carrying handle try SARCO Gunbroker and even EvilBAY. I do strongly sugest getting a manual. In fact there is an english translation of the Austrian Stg58 manual out there. Also remember, proper gas adjustment is important. If you can find a Stg58 specific cleaning kit (DS Arms had them but I can not recommend them), it has in it a comb tool that can be use to adjust the gas system and unscrew the part that holds and also can be used on the castle nuts on the bipod.

    By the way launching practise rifle grenades from a FAL is more fun then lawn darts.

    Free FAL manual http://www.scribd.com/doc/3825050/FN-FAL-manual
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    Try James@ gunpartsguy.com. He's realy good and if does not have it, He'll steer you in the right direction.

    also gunthings.com.

    I have an Stg58, it's my favorite of the FALs. You'll enjoy it.

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    Hello . . .

    Yes . . .I'm registered over at the FAL files board. Still haven't figured out how to post to those forums.

    After seeing the prices asked for good matching STG58 kits, I figured that a complete working rifle with Century widow's peak type receiver had to be worth $600.

    Couple of questions for STG58 and FAL fans. Trying to decide whether or not to get rid of the grenade launcher / flash hider and replace it with something shorter like muzzle break. Notice that many STG owners leave them on. Though the things look cool, do they add all that much weight and overall barrel length?

    Would also imagine that any and all FAL handles would fit. This one is missing the carry handle.

    Need to now float a second mortgage and buy some .308 ammo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt Quahog View Post
    Hello: First off, thanks for the info. Now I need to locate a carry handle assembly.

    Actually have no plans to visit California anytime soon and wouldn't likely take along the STG FAL anyway.

    Had figured to remove the original grenade launcher - flash hider and install one of those long bird cage things. Then I began to think about a remotely possible use. Have no understanding of the configuration for the Austrian/NATO rifle mounted grenade launcher with related apparatus. Thought perhaps that it might be possible to launch tear gas canisters or maybe paint balls from the thing. Need to look into this further.

    Had somebody strongly suggest getting rid of both the folding bipod and metal handguards. Thing is . . . this rifle was not acquired for casual plinking down at the range.

    Since the intended use of this rifle is somewhat specialized, at least for the time being, the bi-pod with original forward metal grips shall remain. This is what I call a, "Driveway Gun". Wanted a reliable rifle that fired military standard heavy caliber round that was magazine fed and semi-auto. The Austrian STG 58 FAL with bi-pod was my first choice.

    We have long driveways out front here with an open area. Should there be a social crisis that turns ugly. . . it's figured that motorized marauders may naturally roll up those direct pathways towards the house.

    Need the ability to take out vehicles at a hundred or two feet distance and whittle the enemy down a bit. A well aimed magazine or two of .308 full metal jacket should do a decent job of wreaking havoc.

    The idea is to keep the bandits as far away as possible from the house and hopefully cause the miscreants to retreat. That's my only real chance. Though we've got a couple of riot shotguns and other small arms on hand, I'm really not looking forward to the possibility of doing close up battle with multiple bad guys inside the house. In that situation . . . odds are that one or two persons inside the home would not survive an armed attack by numerous intruders.

    It is my idea that a well positioned FAL rifle with bi-pod could be handled like a BAR squad weapon used from an elevated vantage point as cover to a specific area. Anyway . . . those the happy thoughts for today. Thanks again . .
    As this is my first post, I'd just like to say it's nice to see you can post something like that and not draw offense.

    You mentioned firing .308 out of your 7.62NATO FAL. It is my understanding that .308 is a bit hotter than 7.62NATO and you can/should not fire .308 out of a 7.62NATO rifle. You can however fire 7.62NATO out of a .308-chambered rifle. I know some people do it anyways, so ask on the FAL files where an expert can advise you. Better safe than sorry!

    I dig your idea for the rifle. Cheers mate!

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    ~ Scout Motto - "Be Prepared"

    Hello:

    I was a "STAR" rank Boy Scout once. About the only thing that stuck with me from that time was the motto ~ "Be Prepared".

    it's nice to see you can post something like that and not draw offense.
    Who should be offended? Some euro-trash leftist fop or other emasculated miscreants?

    Just trying to be honest. Most people I know here in the U.S. are acquiring certain types of arms for defensive purposes. Anybody who says that they're using their M1icon Garand or FN-FAL rifle to go casually plink down at the range is either wealthy or testing the weapon. The ammo is running about a buck a round now.

    You mentioned firing .308 out of your 7.62NATO FAL. It is my understanding that .308 is a bit hotter than 7.62NATO and you can/should not fire .308 out of a 7.62NATO rifle. You can however fire 7.62NATO out of a .308-chambered rifle. I know some people do it anyways, so ask on the FAL files where an expert can advise you. Better safe than sorry!
    As the girls in the valley say . . . "whatever". When the time comes, I'll find the bullets that fit into the thing and function. People told me that the FAL with it's adjustable gas system can handle all sorts of crap so long as it chambers and can fly though the barrel.

    As soon as certain members of the parasite class slide that food stamp card through the scanner at the market and it get's rejected, things will get ugly real fast. With any crisis, it is not likely that the low-life humanoids will turn into farmers or productive people who will organize themselves into civil communities in a good faith effort of mutual assistance. Oh yeah!! Most of them are naturally disposed to violence and plunder. Urban areas will be wrecked, barren of food and useful goods so gangs of murderous criminals will logically migrate into the outlying areas.

    It needs to be figured that when the American welfare state collapses, either partially or in sum total, there will be marauding groups of bandits and brigands prowling the landscape. The urban "underclass" as described in polite society are historically disposed to theft, destruction, intense violence and basic murder. And that's on a good day! Try to imagine what's going to happen when hordes of worthless entitled know-nothings have nothing to eat? Food stores will have been long since looted and stolen bare to the walls.

    Unlike an old Charlie Bronson movie, the bad guys won't come running up the street in a big screaming mob. Instead, they'll be "mechanized" using motor vehicles. The way I figure it, heavier caliber weapons such as 30.06. .308. and 45-70 rifles would be better suited against vehicles rolling onto the property to pillage and probably kill us.

    I'm too old, fat and lazy to "Bug out". Instead, we're going to have "Bug in" and defend ourselves at home. Figure that if assailants get their trucks, cars and themselves shot to pieces before getting too close to the house, they'll probably retreat to a place less dangerous. With lots of bullets in the air coming in a person's direction then it's logical to think that even among low-life scum, instinct for self-preservation will kick in and they'll retreat.

    That STG-58 FAL with bi-pod looks to be a decent choice for a specific purpose from a fixed position. Damn thing seems to weigh as much as a Browning Automatic Rifle anyway so why not deploy it as such?

    Then too . . . none of that scenario will probably happen anyway and I can go back to tending the flower beds

    But . . as the old time Boy Scout manual used state, we must "Be Prepared".



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    Exclamation STG-58 FAL Nice Weapon, notes on gas adjustment!

    The weapon is a very good choice. But all magazine fed, gas operated weapons need some points of familiarity. First I would buy a military packaged supply of 7.62X51 NATO ammo, that is consistent in function. According to the Brits, and Austrians, the gas system is adjusted as follows: you open gas adjustment all the way open (if you have the front grenade launcher valve, make sure it is not set for grenade launch, that shuts of the gas system.) Place an empty magazine in the weapon, pull the charging handle to the rear, and insure that the bolt locks open. Remove the empty magazine and load one round in the magazine, reinsert the now loaded magazine, and release the bolt. Fire that one round. The round should fire and the bolt should remain closed. Close the gas adjustment ONE click! As previously done, Open the bolt, again load one round, in a magazine, and again release the bolt, fire the round. Continue these steps until the bolt LOCKS open after firing. At this point, close the gas adjustment two ADDITIONAL clicks, and fire a magazine of twenty. The weapon should function flawlessly. (Point of information, ALWAYS clean any weapon you buy from Century, thoroughly before use! They are known for shipping out their household trash in the firearms that they build!). As a general rule 95 percent of all fail to function problems , with a magazine fed weapon, are magazine related. Next, eventually purchase, test fire, and keep in separate storage, magazines that consistently function in the weapon. You do not want to practice "immediate action drills", in the middle of a firefight. Also, consider putting aside a separate sealed container of ammunition, that functions consistently in YOUR weapon. Plus you might want to study the theories of neutralizing lightly armored vehicle, in order to force the occupants to disembark, at that point they become"Targets of Opportunity"! As a rule, you should have, at least, 7 functioning magazines, one in the rifle, and six in pouches on your web belt or assault harness/ vest. The Germanicon /Austrian thick Rubber pouches are very good. The Magazines fit well and the Rubber Pouch protects the lips of the mag. Plus you cannot beat the price of 99 cents each! Hope this is helpful.

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