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    Scoped .22 SMLE Trainer?

    Afternoon, I have just picked up this 1908 BSA SMLE training rifle. I bought it for two reasons, firstly it came with a Hiscock-Parker magazine and secondly, it has a scope fitted.
    The scope is marked up as a no.42 and has no windage/elevation on the scope itself, instead uses the dials on the Parker Hale MK7 mount. The very little info I can fid suggest that this scope would have been used on tank/armoured vehicle's machine gun (this would explain the lack of windage/elevation).
    Does this sound right to you guys and was this the sort of thing that was put on the rifles for training?
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    My simple observations as an rank amateur are that the front mount has a modern "allen Key" (as i call em) screw, so not very old. And the front base appears to my eyes as coming from an Anschutz smallbore target rifle.

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    The rifles were never fitted with any scope, any better pics of the magazine etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brnom2 View Post
    My simple observations as an rank amateur are that the front mount has a modern "allen Key" (as i call em) screw, so not very old. And the front base appears to my eyes as coming from an Anschutz smallbore target rifle.
    There is an "allen key" screw and part but they do not match the rest of the mounts (which have slot headed screws). The front base appears to be Parker Hale. The rear mount has clearly been modified to fit the PH5A but, although fairly crude, does not look like your normal kitchen table tinkering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigduke6 View Post
    The rifles were never fitted with any scope, any better pics of the magazine etc.
    It came with four mags- 2 of the single shot, one which takes a BSA SuperSport 5rnd (I have left this at home so cant take a pic today) and the Hiscock Parker.


    I am not thinking this scope setup is how the rifle originally came, but it does look like it is a post war armoury conversion. The "secret" proof marking system shows that it was proofed for civilian use in 1969 so it had plenty of time to be adapted for training.

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    This is a civilian modification, as said in post no3, None of these rifles were ever fitted with a scope, it is a shame as it does lower the value of the rifle, but I would remove the scope and sell on ebay (parts are used for spares for the No32 scope)
    First step is to remove the front sight block if possible? Next step is to see if the PH sight is salvageable and look for the bits etc on ebay.

    Is the magazine complete ? as this is the value in the rifle, we need pics of this and also the butt socket, right and left side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaBrun View Post
    Scoped .22 SMLE Trainer?
    The mind boggles! I'm by no means an expert, but that looks both too elaborate and at the same time, too home workshop to be a military training rifle. Perhaps cadets. regardless, my congratulations on the acquisition. I'd like to hear how well it shoots.

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    I'm not really fussed about the value of the rifle, I got it because it is different and great fun to shoot (that's where the real value is to me). Weather it is civilian or not it is still part of the history of the gun and I am not looking to change any of it (other than replacing the "allen" screws). My other SMLE Trainer is standard and has a complete PH5A.
    I will take the scope off to get pics of the but socket but sorry I don't know what you mean by the magazine?

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    Just took the scope off to see what was underneath so here are a few more pics of the markings.

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    From EY to DP then to a .22 trainer quite the journey the rifles had the tapped hole can have a screw put in dressed and lapped then with cold bluing it would be hard to pick, that Hiscock mag go for $1500 - $1800 here in Aus I have only seen 2 in the last 15 years come up for sale and they are gone in a flash my deceased G/S friend had 2 of them think his son got them.

    I looked at the scope set up and elevation either way would have stressed the tube as the front mount is not gimballed, I use Burris signature rings they have 0, +10 & -10 inserts so you can get 10MOA by using + - combination that does not stress the scope tube.

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