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    6.5 carcano

    any 6,5 carcano ammo out there. would like milsurp so I can get some chargers with them. luckily a member on another forum is sending me one so I can shoot this safe queen my brother bought years ago.


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    Prvi Partisan ammo is manufactured in the Czechicon Republic and is sold under a number of different brand names including PPU and Monarch. It is usually head stamped nny. It is boxer primed and non corrosive.
    You will have to buy the clips separate.

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    The Prvi is good brass, but the bullets are undersized, measuring 0.264". Accuracy suffers as the intended bullet size is 0.267-0.268". I'm not generally going to promote a single brand, however only Hornady has taken the effort to make proper components and ammuntion for the Italianicon rifles.
    The accuracy improvement with the new Hornady ammo is impressive! All of our Italian rifles and carbines shoot much better! Most shoot around 2 to 3 MOA out to 200 yards although vertical stringing is common due to the "almost, but not quite, hide the front sight top at bottom of the rear sight notch" method used at distances less than 300m. The Kennedy Rifle clone shoots repeatable 1 1/2 MOA w/ its little Japaneseicon scope (same as the Oswald gun). Works nicely on deer too!
    Anyway, try the Hornady stuff; it actually costs a little more than the Prvi but, we've found it to be well worth it! ("we" being myself and a couple of friends)

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    Get the PRVI with the 264 bullets and fire it off without worrying about the groups, so that you have fire-formed cases. Neck size. CCI250 primers. Then reload with the Hornady 268 bullets over about 28-30 gn of Reloder 15 or equivalent load, seating them just so far in that the case mouth is at the back end of the crimp ring but DO NOT crimp. Overall length for my 91/41 is 75.25 mm (test in your chamber), or a trifle over 3". You will be amazed how the groups shrink. The PRVIs were keyholing and missing the target at 50 meters. The Hornady reloads were instantly 2 MOA. Further optimizatin will require some fettling of the ingenious backsight.

    P.S: PRVI Partisan is NOT made in the Czechicon republic, which does not use Cyrillic lettering, but in ex-Yugoslavia. Hence the headstamp that looks like nny The ns are actually Cyrillic Ps (like the mathematical "Pi").

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    The Hornady manual has really specific loading instructions as they found it was a very "twitchy" round that was easy to produce pressure spikes well into the dangerous range, no doubt due to the long bearing surface of the bullet. Have been loading great ammo with both Prvi and Hornady brass according to the manual, rather reluctant to deviant from their recommendations!

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    Thanks Jmoore, would you care to reveal the Hornady recommendation? My Hornady manual is outdated, and in this case I really don't want to buy a whole book just for 1 load.

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    Sure, if Hornady doesn't mind! If they do mind, I'll blame you. I bought the new manual JUST for the 6.5 data....and was irritated that they did not include 7.35!

    Anyway, its not at hand so there will be a slight delay of about 16 hours. (No stinkin' computers at the house!) I do remember that magnum primers are a must.

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    Dang, forgot the book! Too tired when I got home.

    Delays, delays

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    Exclamation

    For the 0.267" bullets Hornady preferred H414 and WW760 powders.

    Used Prvi brass for better functioning than Norma. (extractor groove off w/Norma)

    Here I quote the manual:

    Absolutely do not deviate from the components or loads shown for the 0.267" bullet. Dangerously high pressures may result.

    NOTE: Only Winchester WLRM Primers should be used with this data.

    NOTE: Use only the components shown. Absolutely do not reduce charge weights below those shown.


    Its probably best to round up a manual, yes?

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    That's interesting. H414 and WW760 are apparently comparitively slow rifle powders - about the same vivacity as Vihtavuori N150 or N550. I have Prvi brass . I can get WLRM primers. The powder may be a problem. Do you think that the warnings reflect a concern that the bullets might jam in the throat and not be expelled from the barrel?

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