Winchester Sniper (CGN Private Ad)

[Badger]

Posted on CGN ....

Winchester SNIPER (click here)

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Seller says:

Winchester Garand Sniper [not Danish] 2 brass screws missing from cheekpiece Up for one day ,Price $2489.00

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First of all, I hate it when folks put up these FOR ONE DAY ONLY type of adverts. Makes me feel like I'm being hustled.

Anyway, it might be a reasonable buy if you really need an M1D sniper to round out your collection, providing it is an original "all correct" example.

One way to tell if a Garand sniper is a "put together" versus authentic is the barrel? Correct sniper rifles should be marked "-D73112555 A155B-" along with the barrel date. This one has the date and also may may be marked correctly for the drawing number, but it isn't shown in the pics. I'd ask for a pic of the barrel like the one below and check it against the drawing numbers shown, before buying.

We have one that hasn't had an entry created yet for the MKL, but it was re-barreled in June 1952 "SA-6-52" with correct M1D sniper barrel "-D73112555 A155B-"

M1D Garand Sniper Rifle Serial # 2640920
(Mfg by Springfield in March 1944)
c/w Dutch M84 (2.5x) Scope Serial # 25827

All M1D barrels were stamped with drawing number D7312555. M1D barrels manufactured through the fall of 1952 had the drawing number stamped on the top, underneath the rear hand guard. M1D barrels manufactured after the fall of 1952 had the drawing number stamped on the right side, adjacent to the date. Here's an example.......

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Regards,
Badger

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[tiriaq]

The one day thing may be a hustle. It may also prevent research. The Lyman Alaskan (M82? - its not a M84) scope shows a LOT more wear than the rifle, or the mount. IF, IF the rifle is correct, I would suspect that the scope has been added. Are the brass screws missing because they fell out of their holes, or are there holes in the stock for them?
There have been many, many sniper M-1s assembled from parts. Unless one is correct in all aspects, assembly from parts should be suspected.
Interestingly, the price has increased.

[tiriaq]

The rifle is offered for sale again, no mention of a one day only offer. It is acknowledged that the scope is not original to the rifle, that there are holes for the missing cheekpiece screws. Was this model of scope used on M-1Ds? Cs? 03A4s? The barrel drawing number appears to be D7312555 A163. Is A163 appropriate for an M-1D barrel? The barrel date is described as the date the rifle was converted into a sniper. There is a photo of the WRA trigger group. What appears on the trigger frame on its upper left area? Almost looks as if there is a dribble of something, and a little notch on the upper edge. If the scope was installed to complete the set, is the ring and base on the barrel original?

[Claven2]

I had thought there were no legitimate M1Ds? I read an older reference once (not Duff's book) that stated all real ones were SA. Could be old info though.

[Badger]

Posted on CGN ....

Winchester Sniper M1D (click here)

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Seller says:

Winchester Sniper M1D

I offer this rifle for sale .Below are pictures of the barrel stampings top( ie Drawing number) right side (month and year the rifle was built into a sniper) . All the wood has been stamped with the last four numbers of the serial number.The leather cheekpiece is stamped MRT 3-52, the two brass screws that secure the cheekpiece from moving around are missing, there are two holes in the stock where they should be secured. There appears to be a small stamp that looks like crossed connons above the number 3 on the buttstock grip area.The M-82 scope is an original Garand sniper scope(with sliding sunshade) but not original to this rifle, it has more wear to the finish than the rifle does to it's finish. The bore looks perfect bright,shinny, sharp rifling. I do not have a thaoat erosion guage to use.The operating rod and trigger group are stamped WRA. If you have any questions just ask! Asking price delivered and insured ---$2995.00--

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Well, besides being more than a one day sale ....

The price went up $5 and some more pics have been added (see above) ....

I still don't think it's worth anywhere near this kind of money and I don't understand the barrel numbering issue descrepancy. Perhaps it's been legitimately changed?

However, I am far from an expert on M1D Garand sniper rifles, but before I'd lay out almost $3,000 for this one (I paid a lot less than $2,000 for one I have), I'd do some serious research and ask for a reasonable "Inspection and Return" time period on this old girl.

"Caveat Emptor"

Regards,
Badger

[stencollector]

The price went up $5 and some more pics have been added (see above) ....

My math shows $506. Guess that is to teach the fencesitters a lesson for waiting.

I sold a Winchester for $1600 last year, and it included the flashider, which is worth about $400 as well. Guess I wasn't nearly so optimistic.

[Badger]

My math shows $506.

You're right my friend ....

Now you know why ~Angel~ (Mrs. Badger) is CFO (House) ...

$506 Not sure what prompted him to decide it to jack it up ..

Regards,
Badger

[Stevo]

You're right my friend ....

Now you know why ~Angel~ (Mrs. Badger) is CFO (House) ...

$506 Not sure what prompted him to decide it to jack it up ..

Regards,
Badger

Maybe he needs the cash to replace his incandescent bulbs with flourescents?

[tiriaq]

If you look at the photo of the trigger assembly - top left of the array in Badger's post - look closely at the top left portion of the trigger housing.
There's dribble of something there that looks like the result of a bit of cutting torch action. As if the trigger housing was salvaged from a demil.
Incidentally, for a bit of trivia, MRT = Mildew Resistant Treatment. You will see this on different US leather items. Any time a rebuilt US M-1, or many other US service arms, has been through a rebuild, it is unusual for parts to be matching from one manufacturer. If the parts do match, it is often assumed that someone matched them up. Maybe this is why the price has gone up.

[Stevo]

Price change today. Down to below the original "one day only" price to $1995.