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[RayP.]

I'm confused as to the bill being considered,It's named "Global Warming" not "United States Warming",so if bill passes Senate what does it do but send manufacturing to some foriegn country that does not care one wit about the enviroment,but if manufacturing is kept in the U.S. the U.S. would at least be able to work to continue developing technology to lessen Global Warming effect,that is something a foreign country will not do.(just my opinion).

RayP.

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[RayP.]

Is there a way to delete things like this(Bernie Madoff ,etc,etc.) have no idea what is going on here,just loaded a new virus program after my 1st. post and was making this second post and it showed up here.

RayP.

[1886nut]

Welcome to the club, Ray. The club of those of us who figured out that Gorebal WaRmInG is about control, and nothing else. Its a boogey man, the same way "Global cooling" was 25 years ago, and "acid rain" was 40 years ago.

The worlds volcanos emit more CO2 in one day than all the gasoline and diesel powered cars and trucks in the US emit in a year. Thats a fact, Jack.......

[Festus]

Welcome to the club, Ray. The club of those of us who figured out that Gorebal WaRmInG is about control, and nothing else. Its a boogey man, the same way "Global cooling" was 25 years ago, and "acid rain" was 40 years ago.

The worlds volcanos emit more CO2 in one day than all the gasoline and diesel powered cars and trucks in the US emit in a year. Thats a fact, Jack.......

Yep, it's about control alright but it is also about Hucksterism and a worldwide Ponzi scheme. As a business owner or manufacturer if you don't play this newly created game by their rules; you will be fined and punished at the least or put out of business as a worse case scenario.
If the govt and green idiots have their way there will be no room for footdraggers and naysayers in their quest for "a better world".
"There ain't no end to doing good"
Festus

[Dave]

Its not only about control, its more about money--Gore is said to worth millions and he never had a "job" in his life His 'carbon credits' that he buys go into investments/stocks of Companies who develope so called "clean, renewable energy". That is where the money is. Just has been revealed that EPA held back a report (by orders of the "powers"), that says it didn't amount to much and is no threat. NASA said a similar thing several weeks ago. Only heard or read that one once, no follow-up! Wonder why?

[TDH]

This bout of {global warming} is a natural occurance. 50 years from now there may be a new ice age starting. The biggest proponent of so called Global Warming is Al Gore Jr who uses more energy in his mansion in Nashville every month than a lot of small towns use in a year. Another typical example of do as I tell you not as I do. The easiest way to make politicians straighten up is to vote the (&&%$#%^**_ crooks out and send them home. Send people to Washington that will do what we want them to do not as they want us to do. The last I knew it was still suppose to be a goverenment of the people for the people by the people. Not a government for the people by the poiticians. It's up to you. Speak up America.

when injustice becomes law
Rebellion becomes duty
Thomas Paine

[A. F Medic]

[jon_norstog]

A.F.,

The proof is before your eyes! There is other evidence, too. We do have a warming trend to end all. I can grow sweet potatoes in Pocatello. Warm weather fish and animals are moving north - alligator gars in Ohio, possums moving into Canada, etc. The arctic sea is open for navigation in summer, now - never was before, not all the way.

At the same time CO2 concentrations are higher than they've been for a hundred thousand years. They've been testing air bubbles frozen in old, old ice.

Most climatologists and atmospheric science types think there's a cause and effect relationship. Some don't. Most of those that don't are lightweights, but one of the doubters, Reid Bryson, was anything but a lightweight. Bryson was the scholar who basically invented climatology. He's gone now, but he was vehement in his opinion that all of humans' effect n the atmosphere doesn't amount to more than a fart in a hurricane. Google him up.

My own thought is where there's smoke there's fire, and we better be damn sure before we mess up the earth for our grandchildren. The OP has a point about the climate bill having been hijacked by industry and "the interests." They're just doing what they gotta do.

Myself, I'd like to di knowing my children and the generations after them will have the same beautiful mountains and rivers, and wild game and fish in plenty. If the politicians want to reduce carbon in the atmosphere, then bring back the buffalo, build up the herds of cattle and other grazing animals, and restore those black prairie soils, 6 feet deep and 10% carbon. Reforest. go to no-till agriculture on a continental scale. These are things that could be done relatively cheaply, would give jobs to millions of farmers and cowboys and hunters, would restore watersheds, would increase the fish and game for everyone, AND would produce enough food to fatten up everyone in the world.

Well it wouldn't do much for "the interests"

That's my thoughts. Something is going on and I don't like the look of it. Maybe it's OK and maybe it's not. If not, our grandchildren's goose is cooked. There's more than one point of view on the issue, but I think we owe it to ourselves to educate ourselves. Sorry for the rant!

Actually I got a good laugh out of the panties!

jn

[John Kepler]

A.F.,



At the same time CO2 concentrations are higher than they've been for a hundred thousand years. They've been testing air bubbles frozen in old, old ice.

THINK! What was happening those 100,000 tears ago? Was it "warm and tropical", or "colder than a witches whatever"? Think any bubbles from that era MIGHT just be the anomaly, and what we have now a LOT more normal?

My own thought is where there's smoke there's fire, and we better be damn sure before we mess up the earth for our grandchildren. The OP has a point about the climate bill having been hijacked by industry and "the interests." They're just doing what they gotta do.

Then let's all end this claptrap, because the data has been in for over a century.....it's getting warmer because it's supposed to, and it's about time!

For all of you, if "global warming" really had any significant human causal-link, the first people to be howling that aren't are geologists, particularly historical geologists. WE are the keepers of the climatological time-line, and we ain't worried, in fact, we are collectively breathing a sigh of relief.....we really have entered an Interglacial!

Forty years ago, one of the larger debates in geology was whether or not the Winconsinian Glacial Age had really ended, that the Holocene was just a minor climatological "hiccup", and the ice-sheets were gonna start building on the Labrador Plateau any day now! The "Chicken Little" Global Warming issue has attracted a lot of company....but damn few geologists. We know better!

The great cooling of the planet began around 12 million years ago at the end of the Miocene. Global temps dropped around 10-12 degrees F, and have pretty much stayed there....the tropics got hotter and the poles colder. For the overwhelming bulk of this planets history, there has been NO north polar ice-cap, and darn little at the South Pole....Ellesmere Island is right about where it was in the Cretaceous, at least it's at the same latitude above the Arctic Circle. If you dig around in Cretaceous rock on Ellesmere...guess what you find a LOT of? Crocodile teeth....big bruisers too! That's right gang....crocs as big as a school bus in Arctic Canada!

Closer to home, in the last Pleistocene Interglacial, where I live in Northwest Ohio had a climate roughly the same as Central Georgia. This has been determined by examining the flora present in "Driftless Zones", small paleomicroclimates, literally "fossil" climate areas in Wisconsin and Southwestern Ohio. Yes, it's warming up, and it's about freakin' time!

BTW Gang: Hot climates are wet climates.....in a completely counter-intuitive factoid....you need cold to have deserts! A smart man would be optioning creosote bush and ocatillo desert land in West Texas and plan out a farm for his grandkids!

[deano41]

Note to Jon,
It's the sun, not us.
Film at eleven.

Dean (the other one)