Remington 11 info needed

[Chuckindenver]

its known that several shotguns, and rifles were givin to Gov, owned shooting clugs,
to loaned for shooting and or hunting.
as for who did the midifications???not real sure, the rib was likely added by a private gunsmith for a shooting club.

[hirsca]

Just to add...I have a M11 with a cutts. The barrel is 26" to the end of the spreader (skeet?) tube measured with a rod inserted into the bbl on to a closed bolt. There is no choke marking. Stamped on top of the bbl is PROPERTY U.S. NAVY. Serial # is 450XXX. The receiver is the standard game scene, but is not martially marked. Finishes on bbl and receiver match, but the S/N's of the bbl and stock do not match.

[Chuckindenver]

sounds like somone added a GI barrel to a standard M11.
id have the headspace checked before you take it out and shoot.

[emmagee1917]

Do the serial numbers on the reciever match the bbl ? I would doubt it , but you did not say. Chris

[hirsca]

All three #'s are different. On page 143 of Canfield's new book Combat Shotguns, he states that the Navy M11 is stamped Property U.S. Navy on the receiver, and does not mention anything about the bbl being similarly marked.

Any help is much appreciated.

[jackmorse]

During the war years 1941-1945 there was a total of 59,961 Rem mod 11 produced for the US military. In 1942 Remington Arms Co sold 2305 mod 11 shotguns to the Navy Department, Contract NOs-99105 at a cost of $115,250.

Brl date codes indicate manufacture in April of 1942.

Receiver is marked Property of US Navy on upper left side in the middle of receiver.

Brl is marked Property of US Navy on top just in front of receiver.

All mod 11"s observed were the Sportsman and had a cutts comp.

Respectfully jackmorse

[hirsca]

Thank you jackmorse.

To add to my increasing knowledge base on the M11's, can you please tell me why the bbl date codes & S/N's do not seem to be in sequence?
For example, one of my M11's has a bbl date code of BL (1-42) with a bbl lug S/N of 474134.
Another (the Navy one) has a bbl date code of OL (7-42), but its lug S/N is 462073.
Then a third has a bbl date code of KMM (5-43) with a lug number of 490239.
I would assume that the guns left the factory with matching S/N's on both bbl lug and receiver (the 490239 gun has all matching S/N's).

Any explanation is much appreciated. Thanks, hirsca

[Chuckindenver]

on Savage and Remington shotguns, all the numbers matched when they left the factory.
barrels, stocks, and trigger assemblys got replaced..
if you have a replaced barrel, headspace should be checked before firing.

[emmagee1917]

but the truth of the matter is that the guns did not have to be assembled in order. Most were not. In this case , the bbls were stamped with the date they were made. They were stamped with the serial number when they were used. Manufacturers tried to keep a supply of all parts , including recievers , to coast through a time of material shortages or machining errors. SA placed 5 percent of thier recievers in storage and they stayed there until the steel order error happened. They emptied thier shelves to keep production going until they could start making them again. Do you think they bothered to put the "correct" parts on these early numbered recievers to be nice to the collector in 50-60 years? Nope , they used the parts that were in the bins. So these guns actually left the factory with the "wrong" parts on them. I wonder how much money was spent on these by collectors to remove the original "wrong" parts to replace them with non-factory "correct" ones. Chris

[Chuckindenver]

i dissargee,
Remington and AJ Savage were bus, and not SA.
when they were new from the factory, they all had matching parts.
however.
i do agree, barrels, bolts ect. may have been mixed up during service,
but any M11 M720 shotgun with non original barrel, should have the headpace checked before firing.
most military shotguns were used for guard duty, and likely saw little shooting time.
some never were issued, and when sold, were like the day they left the factory.
not the same for trench guns, most that saw service were used hard, and had repairs and service.