Help Really Needed to ID 2 Butt plates

[painter777]

A Good friend just passed these along to me.

This first one looks just like the EARLY ROCK OLA with the dot missing at 3'0' clock.....But also has the dot missing below it, at let's say 3:30.

Is this a early RMC Butt Plate? Just with a extra dot missing?
FRONT,
BACK,


It's a match to the Chest Nut Ridge ID page, except the extra lower dot missing.

Chestnut Ridge Butt plate Patterns,
M1 Carbine Buttplate Identification

Here is the other he passed alomg.
It has 2 dots completely missing at the top. 1 missing at the 6 '0' clock. And missing along the leftside....I'll say at the 11, 10, 9, 8, and 7 '0' clock,

FRONT,


BACK,


Any help...Greatly appreciated,
Am currently looking for my copy of the Riesch book to compare his patterns.

Thank You
Charlie-painter777

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[PBI]

The first one is an early Rock-ola and the second one looks like a Rock-ola that is on my 4 mill.

[davfink]

no offense but the second looks like a mutant child of an NPM and a rockola ( must have been some cold dark nights in the armory storage)

the first seems like 1 too many dots missing ?

[painter777]

HELLO PBI !!
Yep...Your right about the 2nd one......Riesch shows it as a late RMC one.
Naturally I just sold a couple like the top one in a auction a few months back.....EXCEPT they only had only one dot missing at 3.
Everything else matched up. This is the first RMC butt plate I've seen with 2 dots missing near the 3'0' clock position.
Neat to learn something new everyday!
Now if the wife would believe that....
DavidB has a picture of a late RMC plate I had never seen before, on his Rock 4,546,xxx....here's a link to that post,
Late RMC butt plates - Military Surplus Collectors Forums

Here's a couple other strange ones I happened upon,

This one was stamped inside out !!



A Good Weekend To You

THANKS,
Charlie

[zaugau]

I got an inside out one too, looks like the same pattern as yours but maybe stamped a little harder. The pattern from the other side looks like Inland to me.
I think these are pretty cool, and I like your other mutant plates too.

[painter777]

zaugau,
I like your plate better.....it's attached to something !

Charlie