US 1917 barrel question

[irishsteve]

One more point to keep in mind,the 17 is battle sighted somewhere around 200 odd yards.My 17 with lc ball shoots very high on the target at 100 yards with 6 inch groups.At 50 yards the bullets may simply be going over the top,and hiting a 3 inch spot 200 yards behind the target.

[jmoore]

I dunno about your experiences, but I've seen barrels that wouldn't move even using 3 foot cheater bars or really big hammers! 'Course they also just pop right off sometimes too.... cutting is generally the second or third option, it just happens a whole lot more w/ P'14/M1917's than ANYTHING else!

[Chuckindenver]

iv rebarreld more then a few 17,s.
iv yet to chuck one up to cut the shoulder.
by the time you center, chuck , and set your cutter.
ill have it loose, and ready for a new barrel.
they can be tough, second only to a Type 99 Jap, but they do come loose with the right tools, and muscle power.
heres how is look at it.
once you cut the shoulder the barrel is trash, cant be rebored, or used for anything othet then a jack handle.
if you use a good pipe wrench, and a good receiver wrench, they will come out.
i can dress a wrench marks easy, and use the barrel down the road,
example,
if you have a cutdown barrel with sporter sight, with great bore, it can be used.
when you find a sporter with nice barrel, swap it out, and then you can sell the sporter for what you paid for it, maybe more,
and save the nice original barrel for that 17, with a sewer pipe.
if you cut the should of that shortened barrel, its done.

[Dan Wilson]

Actually the battle sight is set at 450 yards unless someone has changed or filed the front sight blades.

Dan

[Harlan (Deceased)]

I've got a Remington and a Winchester 1917 both of which have been counterbored. They are original military otherwise. Can't get either one of them to hit paper at 50 yards.

Calfed -

Did you mean that you actually cannot hit the target at all from 50 yards with two different 1917's, or was that intended as an exaggeration?

[jmoore]

iv rebarreld more then a few 17,s.
iv yet to chuck one up to cut the shoulder.
by the time you center, chuck , and set your cutter.
ill have it loose, and ready for a new barrel.
they can be tough, second only to a Type 99 Jap, but they do come loose with the right tools, and muscle power.
heres how is look at it.
once you cut the shoulder the barrel is trash, cant be rebored, or used for anything othet then a jack handle.
if you use a good pipe wrench, and a good receiver wrench, they will come out.
i can dress a wrench marks easy, and use the barrel down the road,
example,
if you have a cutdown barrel with sporter sight, with great bore, it can be used.
when you find a sporter with nice barrel, swap it out, and then you can sell the sporter for what you paid for it, maybe more,
and save the nice original barrel for that 17, with a sewer pipe.
if you cut the should of that shortened barrel, its done.

No real disagreement here, except maybe for the pipe wrench thing, just never pulled a GOOD barrel off a 1917, just the crusty rusties. The last one pulled off about 3 weeks ago BROKE the Brownell's action wrench. Whilst waiting for the new wrench, the Nickle Plated barrel was relief cut and the old wrench repaired enough to easily remove the barrel. (no nickel found in the joint, but rusted, yes!)

I think the philosophy around here is to at all costs avoid ruining a good action, (or in really rare cases, barrel) so its no big thing to minimize stresses by cutting the unsalvagable part.

[Calfed]

Calfed -

Did you mean that you actually cannot hit the target at all from 50 yards with two different 1917's, or was that intended as an exaggeration?

No exaggeration--could not hit the paper with either 1917.

[Chuckindenver]

iv had the pipe wrench thing tossed back at me by a few guys, and im ok with it.
i invite them all to come over and show me {how its done} lol.
im a keep it simple kinda guy, including my tools.
iv seen more damage done with a lathe, and other high tech tools then by a basic set of tools, and common since.
i was once called a hack for having said pipe wrench in my tool box..
im ok with that, the person that called me that likely had never removed a barrel in his life, and surely read lots a great books, by guys with the same outlook.
i get the job done, and unless i said anything, nobody would ever know how i did it.
a good example.
for many years i restored and raced vintage motorcross, bikes made pre 1974, the class i raced was a pre 1968 class, finding said bikes are hard let alone making one run and race again.
iv built many a museum quality Husqvarna that were always class winners, with the KISS principle in mind.
i remember winning a best of show with a 67 Viking, and having a guy that spent lots of time, money and tools building a nice Bultaco that was upset that my bike won.
i told him.
heres the big differance, my bike starts and runs, and will be raced on Sunday, will yours??he looked like a dear in the headlights, and said, no.
my bike was built to originall specs, no expence spared, and its never to be started , restoreation time was 10 years, and was built by ex Bultaco mechanics, yada yada yada...
i said yea? mine was built in about 6 mos, with ever dime i could saved, in my garage, and built to win races, as well as shows, by a redneck tattooed Toppless bar manager...
i raced that bike for 3 seasons and other then basic mant, i never had to work on it, have a wall full of plaques and trophys that it took home for me, in shows and races.
built with basic tools, and a little common since...KISS.

[jmoore]

Only problem w/ common sense is that it ain't that common!

[ricksters11]

Ok, I know this is "Johnny Come Lately" but....... I got my granddaddy's ol' 1917' Eddystone and he, at one point dismally tried to sporterize it. the rear sights are gone, the hole looks like it has been filled with silver solder or sumthing like it.

I am not trying to bring to original glory but trying to do something different and unique with it. maybe even a little trashy but in honor of its 100th birthday I want to remove the barrel, get a nice barrel for it and parkerize the action, true the bolt and action and maybe paint the stock some god awful military green color and put a collapsible stock on it. I know, I know.... you probably want to shoot me right now, but the truth is Pops Kinda already F**k it up 40 years ago. It will be an accurate but trashy build just like I like my women!

Problem! I cant get the damn barrel off! It's righty tightyl? Right? Lefty Loosy?

I will take it to a gunsmith only to put a new barrel on and headspacing. I will bead blast the parts, parkerize them and I am not concerned with salvaging the current barrel as it is pretty much done for as it is. I have an action wrench on it setting in a vice, with a pipe wrench I was cranking on the barrel with. Am I just trying to turn it in the wrong direction or did Jesus put this barrel on? I know it is old enough.... Ha just kidding!

HELP!