Khyber Pass build?

[topaz]

Thanks and say thanks to your friends . Bill

[TheDoubleD]

Dat those are some nice rifles!!!

[topaz]

Bearhunter , The rifle you have is a real beauty,its a keeper. Apology is in order for some

[TheDoubleD]

Apology for what Topaz, honesty...

Sorry, I can't see the Emperor's new clothes.

[topaz]

thank you

[topaz]

You're a very smart man and your knowledge is vast,(DD) and you give a lot to the forum . (Thank You) But I see that you have to have the last word all of the time. You think no one has the right to question your wisdom(?). I mean after all, this is a discussion (forum) and we are here to learn (knowledge) and each of us have opinions. But to call someone's rifle a kp and insist before you really know, (Quote ITs made from old railroad iron/obvious counterfiet)is not right. We just learned that the rifle in question could very well be from Kabul Arsenal. But a lot of people read this forum and you gave bearhunter's rifle a death sentence. That's what I mean about an apology. If you feel it's not warranted ..ok This message is not meant to be offensive, but to give credit where credit is do. Good one , The Emperor`s new cloths meaning one should not believe everything they are told,especially if the evidence does not support the claims.. Sin of omission. Case closed

[TheDoubleD]

You're a very smart man and your knowledge is vast,(DD) and you give a lot to the forum . (Thank You) But I see that you have to have the last word all of the time. You think no one has the right to question your wisdom(?).

When you close each post casting aspirsion, what am I to do.

I mean after all, this is a discussion (forum) and we are here to learn (knowledge) and each of us have opinions.

You need to to go back and reread what I posted. I cite an observation to substantiate each of my opinions.

If you think I am wrong, then rebut my points with your own facts. I would like hear them. I am open minded.

But to call someone's rifle a kp and insist before you really know, (Quote ITs made from old railroad iron/obvious counterfiet)is not right.

This is what I mean by reread what I posted, because the quote you credit me is not what I said.

Bearhunter said:

...It's reputed that many of the parts and receivers are made from truck and tractor axles, which would made of good, tough steel that can be properly finished and heat treated.

I responded;

This sums it up quite nicely. It is also said they are made from old rail road iron.

Rationalize all you want, the bottom line is this rifle and al KP's are an unknown quantity. You should finish each rationalization with the statement "so far".

It is far safer to stay with a gun with a known pedigree.

It's kind of like playing the lottery, you can't win unless you play, but this is one lottery you don't want to win.

I am sorry to be so negative. The chances of an accident are slim. But there have been recent reports of failure of these guns. It's just not worth chance.

By the way if you click on that little orange icon, you will be taken to the original post for the full text.

We just learned that the rifle in question could very well be from Kabul Arsenal.

Did we. We learned that the Kabul Arsenal made rifles. There is nothing to indicate Bearhunters rifle is one of these.

But a lot of people read this forum and you gave bearhunter's rifle a death sentence. That's what I mean about an apology. If you feel it's not warranted ..ok

If this was a very clearly identifiable RSAF made rifle I would still condemn it based on one factor alone--the under cut knuckle seat. That by its self condemns this rifle as unsafe no matter who made it or what it is made. Can you refute that?

This message is not meant to be offensive, but to give credit where credit is do.

It is offensive, as it is a personal attack on me, not my facts. Attack my facts not me.

Good one , The Emperor`s new cloths meaning one should not believe everything they are told,especially if the evidence does not support the claims.. Sin of omission. Case closed

Go back and read my post and tell me what fact I cited that is not supported.

[John Sukey (Deceased)]

Funny thing, If some of those rifles had not had the original Kabul arsenal markings scrubbed, they would be a collectable in their own right

Just a question here, if the copies were made from old railroad iron, just how would the metallurgy differ all that much from a 19th century British Martini?

[TheDoubleD]

John that's the problem.

We know that the metal of the Martini is a specific formulation of a mild steel.

We don't know what the metallurgy of the rail road iron or whatever steels that may have been used with it to make the KP rifle-that is the concern.

Rail road steel is hard, MH steel is not.

[c12dat]

Funny thing, If some of those rifles had not had the original Kabul arsenal markings scrubbed, they would be a collectable in their own right

Just a question here, if the copies were made from old railroad iron, just how would the metallurgy differ all that much from a 19th century British Martini?

Hello to All,

It is getting to painful to send back any sort of antique rifles back to the US from Afghanistan. About a year ago, a new LTC took command of the Custom that is in charge of this area of operation. Military Custom nows require an ATF Form 6B to send back any antique rifle; muzzle loaders are exempt. This procedure of getting approval from the ATF can take up to 90 days.

Because of the new restrictions, the local vendors were told that they can't sell the Martini-Henry anymore. So they stopped bringing them to the local bazaar. The vendors also have told me that there are too many police checkpoints and they don't want to be caught with a 'weapon'. Additionally, the bazaar at where I am posted has been closed for the last 6 months. I do not know when they will open up again.

I have told the gun vendors not to mess with the Afghan Martini-Henry. They just want to make a buck so they will sell them with fake Enfield markings and/or swap parts between rifles to sell them. Most GI's wants an "Enfield" rifle as a souvenir so that is what the vendors will sell to make a living. Oh, it is also funny to see how many "new" antique muzzle loaders rifles are for sale now.

DoubleD ... The rifle #2 in your photos. Is there a way that you can check the metalurgy in that rifle? I don't think that it was made with steel from rail road tracks. My area of interest is actually bayonets and I have several Afghan P88 bayonets and the steel of those bayonets are pretty good. Lastly, what do you mean by the under cut of the knuckle seat? Thank you in advance for your reply.

I am about to depart Afghanistan. When I get home, I'll dig for more Afghan Martini Henry photo to post.

v/r
c12dat