"SCOPED LEE Enfield" (CGN Private Ad)

[Badger]

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"SCOPED LEE Enfield" (click here)

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Seller says:

Pictured below is a No4 Mk1 Lee Enfield with a G&H detechable side mount for an Alaskan scope. The pictures show the scope mounted and dismounted. The rifle bore is bright with sharp rifling.The barrel is free floating. (sadly , it is not an original sniper) ASking price is $795.00 delivered

Regards,
Badger

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[Cantom]

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"SCOPED LEE Enfield" (click here)

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Regards,
Badger

I've never seen a picture of a Canadian sniper fitted with a Lyman Alaskan scope. Is that rifle a faithful reproduction of one? Does anyone have pics of a real one to compare with?
When were they made originally btw? Was it a Korean War timeframe?

[Badger]

I've never seen a picture of a Canadian sniper fitted with a Lyman Alaskan scope. Is that rifle a faithful reproduction of one? Does anyone have pics of a real one to compare with?
When were they made originally btw? Was it a Korean War timeframe?

Although it's not my specific expertise, I checked in my copy of "Without Warning" By Clive Law. The mount doesn't look at all the same in the book as what's pictured, although it is a Lyman Alaskan scope, as one can see from reading the inscription on it. The pic shows the screws holding the mount on the receiver as being at a 45 degree angle, whereas the pics of this one show them level (horizontal) to the axis of the rifle.

According to Clive's book in reference to the Lyman Alaskan scopes, it has been established that 350 of these were purchased and provided with mounts manufactured by Small Arms Limited..

I think wheaty and some other really smart Enfield collectors will be able to clarify this when they log in.

Edit: BTW, here's an interesting Quartermaster Stores ad in the "For Sale or Auction Elsewhere" section for a WWII Enfield No. 4 MKI Manufactured in Canada with Lyman Scope

Regards,
Badger

[Cantom]

Although it's not my specific expertise, I checked in my copy of "Without Warning" By Clive Law. The mount doesn't look at all the same in the book as what's pictured, although it is a Lyman Alaskan scope, as one can see from reading the inscription on it. The pic shows the screws holding the mount on the receiver as being at a 45 degree angle, whereas the pics of this one show them level (horizontal) to the axis of the rifle.

According to Clive's book in reference to the Lyman Alaskan scopes, it has been established that 350 of these were purchased and provided with mounts manufactured by Small Arms Limited..

I think wheaty and some other really smart Enfield collectors will be able to clarify this when they log in.

Edit: BTW, here's an interesting Quartermaster Stores ad in the "For Sale or Auction Elsewhere" section for a WWII Enfield No. 4 MKI Manufactured in Canada with Lyman Scope

Regards,
Badger

Interesting auction for a real one...anyone know what vintage these were? WWII or Korean?

[tiriaq]

The LB Ts with the 32TP (Lyman Alaskan) scopes are WWII. The one on CGN is a No. 4 fitted with a G&H mount and a Lyman Alaskan scope. The mount set is similar to an original mount, but as has been pointed out is not the same. The price being asked is not unreasonable given the cost of the components, if a faux sniper rifle is desired.
The second rifle is described using the term "assembled". The rings, and perhaps the scope may be authentic. These were assembled on a LB No. 4. There were a number of the 32TP scopes and rings on the market in the UK, 74L series, from LB No. 4 T rifles suppled to the Netherlands, and subsequently scrapped by the Dutch.

[303sniper]

Hi All,

I can tell you that the rifle in the picture is "set up" to look like the real deal.
I can't see the s/n on the wrist but it should read somewere between 74L0001 and 74L0350.
The mounting part on the scope isn't the correct type. It should be an G&H made mount with diagonaly split steelrings (and not aluminum) and places the scope on the left side of the rifle. The scopemount had also the rifle number ingraved in its steel body (between the two split steel scope rings).

But its not an lot of money for the scope, rifle (with installed mount). I have seen Alaskan scope been sold for US$500-900 a piece.
So lets see if the rifle gets sold.

[Cantom]

Hi All,

I can tell you that the rifle in the picture is "set up" to look like the real deal.
I can't see the s/n on the wrist but it should read somewere between 74L0001 and 74L0350.
The mounting part on the scope isn't the correct type. It should be an G&H made mount with diagonaly split steelrings (and not aluminum) and places the scope on the left side of the rifle. The scopemount had also the rifle number ingraved in its steel body (between the two split steel scope rings).

But its not an lot of money for the scope, rifle (with installed mount). I have seen Alaskan scope been sold for US$500-900 a piece.
So lets see if the rifle gets sold.

Apparently it did sell...somebody probably got a decent deal.
For me, the Lyman Alaskan setup doesn't look quite as nice as the normal scope and mount setup...makes me think of a wartime expedient vs the real deal...

[tiriaq]

Well, it was a wartime expedient, because sufficient quantities of No. 32 scopes were not available.

[Lee Enfield]

The base bears nothing whatsoever in common with a TP base.

The REL mount looks similar to the G&H mount except it is improved somewhat.

The G&H system uses the locking pins to secure it in place while the REL system uses both the pins and the plate to friction lock the rings to the mount.

[Lee Enfield]

I've never seen a picture of a Canadian sniper fitted with a Lyman Alaskan scope. Is that rifle a faithful reproduction of one? Does anyone have pics of a real one to compare with?
When were they made originally btw? Was it a Korean War timeframe?

All three mount systems were in use during the Korea period. There are several pictures of the TP in use with Canadian Army during the Korean War.

The rifles (all/most) were assembled during WWII according to Skennerton & Law (Skennerton lists numbers produced for 3 months in '45 IIRC). I'm told that some may have been assembled post-war for export.

We do know that the Dutch had @50 TPs and a complete example surfaced in Italy some months ago...