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    I have a original 42 garand lend lease. Is there anything besides the nickle oiler that I need to get to put into the butt stock to make it a little more correct
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    Quote Originally Posted by rice 123 View Post
    I have a original 42 garand lend lease. Is there anything besides the nickle oiler that I need to get to put into the butt stock to make it a little more correct
    Get an M3 Combination Tool with unmodified screwdriver blade. Not the M3A1. I am sure Bill Ricca could help you get the correct one.

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    Please post some pictures showing the barrel date, serial number, rear sight and Brit proofs. I am not sure when the lend-lease program was suspended, but I think it was shortly after Pearl Harbor. There were many Garands that were surplused out of Brittain in the '50s. Brit proofs alone do not identify a lend-lease rifle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by musketshooter View Post
    Please post some pictures showing the barrel date, serial number, rear sight and Brit proofs. I am not sure when the lend-lease program was suspended, but I think it was shortly after Pearl Harbor. There were many Garands that were surplused out of Brittain in the '50s. Brit proofs alone do not identify a lend-lease rifle.
    According to Bruce Canfield the Lend Lease program began in mid 1941 and continued well into the war. At least until late 1942.
    If your rifle is proofed in the chamber area behind the op-rod than it is one of the first batch of L.L. rifles Sam Cummings purchased and is a L.L. rifle. If it is marked on the barrel between the gas cylinder rings IT MAY be L.L. but further study of the rifle and proof markings are needed. But Lend Lease or not you still need the M3 tool and the case you have for the butt trap.

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    IIRC, the LL Act was repealed in May 1942 and deliveries were suspended in June. There has always been a story around that a ship with 50,000 M1icon's was torpedoed and sunk on the way to Englandicon ... where's my SCUBA gear?

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    OK here are some pics however I take lousy pics the serial is 507129 1-42 sa barrel no lock bar I think short pinion GHS cartouch proof marks between the gas cylinder rings BMP 30 2494 tons per

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    Quote Originally Posted by rice 123 View Post
    OK here are some pics however I take lousy pics the serial is 507129 1-42 sa barrel no lock bar I think short pinion GHS cartouch proof marks between the gas cylinder rings BMP 30 2494 tons per
    That is the "Birmingham" proof. It is "BNP" not "BMP", BNP stands for "British Nitro Proof. .30 is Cal. 2494 is 2.494 which is the length of the cartridge case in decimal. followed by "18 TONSPER"
    Birmingham also added another mark known as the "Private View Mark", it contains a date code that confirms the time period of the marking. As this is done when the weapon is being exported from Englandicon, you can tell when your rifle was exported. The code is crossed swords. The letter in the left angle of the crossedswords is the year code, beginning with "A" in 1950 and progressing (letter I omitted} to "Z" in 1974. The letters begin again with "A: in 1975 but the crossed swords framework was changed to a segmented circle. THe letter on the right is always "B" for Birmingham and the digit at the bottom is the seniority of the inspector, from 1 to 8.
    This information is from an article in the Apr. 2002 'American Rifleman" by Scott Duff. (Garands in the Kings Service".

    This will only tell you when your rifle left England not if it is, in fact, a part of those rifles sent under the L.L. Act. The only rifles that you can be sure were L.L. are those in the first group that were proof marked in the chamber area, behind the op-rod.

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    looking at it ubder a mag glass there is what my be a cross swords after the tons and the square under the cross swords is what appears to be a 3 and to the side of the cross awords appears to be an 8. Bbelow the BNP appears to be a 1 and a broken circle. the stamps are very light and hard to make out

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    Quote Originally Posted by rice 123 View Post
    looking at it ubder a mag glass there is what my be a cross swords after the tons and the square under the cross swords is what appears to be a 3 and to the side of the cross awords appears to be an 8. Bbelow the BNP appears to be a 1 and a broken circle. the stamps are very light and hard to make out
    You should see a letter at 9 o'clock, a B at 3 o'clock and a number, 1 to 8 at 6 o'clock.

    If the letter was a "D" that would indicate that the rifle was exported from Englandicon in 1953, an "E" = 1954, an "F" = 1955, and so on.
    The "B" is for Birmingham Proof House and the 2, the inspectors seniority.
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