A thought for all;
Out of all the originally built carbines, How many survive to this day from Wars and De-mills?
Do you think -15% could be accurate?
Cheers,
Charlie-painter777
Charlie,
That is an interesting thought, for me any way. I have no idea if 15% is anywhere close to the number of carbine still around. But, if you use the number Jim mention 5,803,491 M1’s; which excludes M1A1’s, M2’s, T3’s and T4’s 15% would be 870,523.
Ok, if there are 870,523 carbines how carbine collectors are there?
The reason everyone sees a lot of Inlands is , I think , easy to understand. First , of course , is they made the most . But , more importantly I think , is because of us. We collect differently , but some of the popular ways is to collect is to get " one of each maker". Most of us do this , I think , which then locks up the same number of each maker , but a greater percentage of the rarer ones simply because there is less of them. Also , if we have several and have to sell one for whatever reason , we would put up the one we could replace later down the line the easiest / cheepest . Ie. , Inlands.
Chris
MDRIM13,
I'm trying to not stray to far from your questions. Just trying to add a little insight on how many carbines may be out there.
Hercules Powder,
I may not have asked my question correctly.
If we had 5,803,491 million carbines to start with and sub-tracted 15% due to battle loss and damage, along with De-milled both here in the states and abroad. 15% could possibly be a low figure... again just a guess.
I come up with...
Total made.................. 5,803,491
Guestimated loss of 15%.. 870,523
Total left after 15% loss 4,932,967
The Estimated volume of 15% loss and Final Total... rounded off.
Obviously I'm just guessing. But if you take into account the number of crashed supply planes, sunken Cargo supply ships, Carbines sent and dropped off to the Resistance Allies, Lend Lease, the piles of them we've seen rusting away in South east Asia sold as scrap metal and captured weapons. I'd think they'd have to total in the Thousands.
My father served 2 tours in the Philippines working closely with the Filipino Scouts who loved the M1 carbine in the deep bush.
In fact after we were forced off the Islands, the Philippine guerillas were supplied with carbines by submarine.
To this day many of the Independant Current Resistance Philippino Fighters use vintage WWII weapons to fight against the Terrorist group Abu Sayyaf, among others.
See picture below, which is fairly recent.
Regards,
Charlie-painter777
Last edited by painter777; 01-12-2011 at 09:05 PM.
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I can't help but get involved in a beancounting expedition. Before any long division is employed, maybe we should subtract a large percentage of the 3.3 million carbines loaned/granted/sold to foreign countries per the National Archives info on Jim Mock's website.
Some of those have come back thru the 80s imports, current imports, and CMP's recent 56,000, but most are not available to us today. I was told Cap'n Crunch ate over 100,000 during the Clinton years.
Might be better to count from the other end - with alot of specuation, of course. 250k NRA sales in the 60s is the only solid number. Want to add 100k imports from the 80's forward? OK. 60k thru CMP? A couple of thousand police sales (Like the current Detroit guns). Now the hard one - how many bringbacks? How about 25-50,000? Too high? Did I miss any sources? What would your guess be?
My guesses come to about 450k in the hands of US private owners today. Say the 40k bringbacks are obviously original (unless some "restorer" changed out a part without understanding parts integration); add 10k imports (CCNL #108 from 1985 reported that over a third of several thousand imports examined in a warehouse appeared at a glance to be original); add some of the Bavarians (if you can handle the plum trigger housings on some of them). That comes to 55k - or about 12% of US guns.
Wow Perry, I think you should take a step or two back and think about what it is that you have started here. Jim is a highly respected contributor to this site and to my knowledge never steered anyone in a bad direction. Your fly off the handle approach will get you no where real fast here. Relax and take in the wonderful knowledge that Jim and others have to offer.
We would love nothing more than to have you giving wonderful advise on this site a year, five years, 10 years from now. Enjoy the site but please keep your in-the-face, fly off the handle comments suppressed. Thank you.
Good comments Charlie, and I am reliably informed, by a firearms instructor in the Philippines Army, that there are boxes, if not crates of them still there. Don't know if re-built or not, am "investigating" but it's hard to verify what one person tells you in that part of the world. Mike.
Wow Jim, I stopped climbing telephone poles a long time ago, good for you.
With six million of anything, that is a lot. I would have to agree that to say that "well you'd get an Inland" B.S. What if a shipment of NPM came in that week? Odds don't mean very much unless you can account for everything as it was sent. I don't have an Inland and I don't want one, they look like the roughest of all; I want a Quality or Standard Products.
Originally Posted by painter777
’s, M2’s, T3’s and T4’s 15% would be 870,523.
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