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    Quote Originally Posted by Aragorn243 View Post
    As you can see, I'm missing a bayonet on the jungle carbine. Anyone have an extra?
    Definately no, but another Carcano Mosqueto that would be lucky to look like yours!

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    New photos in natural light and the new sling.














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    Carbine envy!

    You've done a rare thing...

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    Aragorn243, a very nice original sling using the Germanicon-style buckle intended for use on the Italianicon submachineguns but seen in period photographs in use on Carcano short rifles and carbines from the end of WW2 and into the post-War period. You did well and showed excellent perseverance finding it. Congratulations.

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    Took the rifle to the range today. Learned two things. Always research the sight picture on an unfamiliar rifle before going to the range and take bigger targets. I took 8 1/2 x 11 sheets of paper and am rather embarassed to say I never found the paper. I also need new glasses much worse than I believed.

    My primary purpose was to ensure the rifle would function properly so hitting the paper was not that important today. But it would have been nice. Cases had no deformities, cracks or scratches and the primers all look good after firing. Rifle loaded smoothly but there was a slight stiffness unlocking the bolt after firing. No extraction problems, just that last quarter inch in turning the bolt. I do not know if this indicates a problem with the rifle or not so any advice would be appreciated. If I turned the bolt rapidly with some force, it opened right up. I'm used to very smooth bolts on hunting style rifles so this is what I consider very stiff. My shooting of milsurps is limited to a 303 Enfield and that's about it.

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    Try dropping the front sight as far down into the notch as you can and still see a tiny amount of the tip. Works for me at 100yds. Also, as yours is an adjustible sight version, flip the moving leaf over into it's cutout on the handguard.

    The hard extraction seems to be a function of bolt fittment. Unlike front locking Mausers, the cam is on the bolt lug and in the receiver ring. I have smoothed up a few quite nicely before, but have not advanced my technique to anything cut and dried. Regardless, if you operate it vigorously, it ought not be a reliability issue. Not the best for bench work, though!

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    The first few shots I had forgotten to flip the adjustable sight up. I was also shooting at 50 yards which I figured would help get it on the paper. Flipped the sights up and used the fixed sight but was lining up the top of the front sight with the top of the V. I did that the first few rounds as well. I did finally take the paper out to 100 yards and put the top of the front post near the bottom of the V but not all the way. After one shot of this decided I was just wasting ammo and I needed to go back with a large piece of cardboard so I can see where things are hitting. I assume I was probably way high with everything but I've never been one to see where the bullet strikes even with good glasses. Without knowing where they were didn't allow me to even attempt corrections.

    Lesson learned, will try it again with the post in the bottom of the V as you suggest.

    I'm going to give the chamber a good cleaning too. I may have a bit of debris or dirt in there from the rust removal process that is causing it to hang up a bit.

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    If you're shooting factory loads and they're anything other than Hornady I'm afraid you'll never get ''on paper''. Factory 6.5 Carcano ammo is loaded with .264'' dia. bullets, Hornady uses .268'' bullets. Carcano bores normally slug .266-.269, and the bullets in the milsurp ammo I have measure .267''. I recently restored a M1941 Carcano and was out shooting up some PRVI stuff for the brass and the best 100 yd 6 shot group i could manage was a buckshot pattern of around 20 '', at 200 yds it was more like 5 feet. With handloads and .268'' bullets 100 yd 6 shot groups now average 3 1/2 ''. Despite the bad rap Carcano's can produce surprising accuracy with the right ammo.

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    Had to revisit this thread as I picked up another 6,5 carbine at the pawn shop. Stock doesn't match the barrel S/N and it's been sanded and coated with something shiny, but they let me have it for a "buck twenty-five". Had actually gone in looking for some woodworking tools for a flooring project.

    So it looks like some more stock "abuse" is forthcoming! Photos too. Won't be as nice as Aragorn243's, but his thread was the inspiration to go ahead and squander the money. Kinda like poor abused pups dumped on the side of the road (which is where my last dog came from, incidentally.)- you just feel a little sorry for 'em.

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    Looking forward to pictures. I've been sorely tempted to do another of these the past week but better judgement won out I believe. Cabelas has a 7.35 with a cut stock in for $125. There was an auction yesterday with a "Japaneseicon 7.35 without bolt and a Japanese 7.35 with bolt along with a bolt action 22?. All three were Italianicon Caarcanos, two being 6.5 including the one "with bolt". Without bolt sold for $70, with bolt sold for $110 and 22? sold for $120. All three had badly butchered stocks and were missing a good bit of metal parts. I figured I'd buy the with bolt for parts if I could get it for $40 or so. I guess being the rare "Japanese" version, it was worth more to someone. There was something odd about 22?, looked like it was the cavalry version with the hinge filed off. Didn't study it too closely after deciding it wasn't going to be cost effective to restore it. They also failed to identify a Swissicon 1896, that was a real shame. cut down barrel, rusted bore, butchered stock, drilled for a scope. Matching numbers though. I had never been to that auction before, wasn't impressed. Prices slightly better on the good items than my regular auction but they bid up the crappy stuff.

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