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    De Lisle type rifle/carbine - help needed with identification

    A fellow shooter came across this and, knowing I was interested in Enfields, sent me some pics.









    An interesting conversion. It seems to be based on the WW2 De Lisle carbines. It's a Savage No.4 re-chambered for .45ACP, a moderator screws on the front. Empty .45 cases are dropped into the .303 magazine. It shoots fairly well, considering the ammo it uses.

    Has anyone seen a similar conversion or know anything about it's history?

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    It's about as completely un-DeLisle like as possible without having trouble seeing the tie-in! No.4 action, vs. a No.1; detatchable can; 1911 mag at the front of the .303 housing, versus no .303 mag housing and the pistol mag at the rear; Optics, vs, iron sights; remnants of the original forestock still intact past the receiver body, etc.

    But it ought to be a fun Walter Mitty weapon!

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    There's a company called Valkyrie(a woman I'm told) in the US that will produce such a thing for actual money. I could be out of date on this, she may have quit. In Canadaicon we've seen some ads for a replica that won't quiet anything down but sure looks cool. #4 actions seem to be the rage because of availability I think. Wait til Peter get's a load of this one... By the way, I think it's an exellent design. It's probably only about as loud as a popcorn fart.
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    There are a few others who produce the conversion kit, one is Rhineland arms who do them for the mauser (just a plain .45 barrel with a locking ring similar to the savage) and the mag adapter, I,ve built a few on No4 actions, good fun to shoot etc, only thing I have against them is when they are called De-Lisle replica,s etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    There's a company called Valkyrie(a woman I'm told) in the US that will produce such a thing for actual money. I could be out of date on this, she may have quit. In Canadaicon we've seen some ads for a replica that won't quiet anything down but sure looks cool. #4 actions seem to be the rage because of availability I think. Wait til Peter get's a load of this one... By the way, I think it's an exellent design. It's probably only about as loud as a popcorn fart.

    No longer made, unless it's recently brought back. Quality was not outstanding...too bad, too! It looked good from 10 feet...

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    Many thanks, especially to jmoore for his helpful comments.

    As I explained to the shooter who brought it to my attention, the differences between the gun I posted and the real De Lisle carbine are quite apparent, but I was trying to describe the basic concept of an Enfield Rifleicon, converted to .45 with a moderator.

    I was merely seeking information.

    All the best.

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    Chris Goodwin of C&G Firearms based in the UKicon makes a very good copy of the De Lisle Commando Carbine the quality and finish appears to be first class he has pictures on his web page at http://www.cgfirearms.co.uk

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    The ones that Valkaryie made were actually visually quite good but he/she/it did miss a few of the "more subtle" features. They are apparently back in business having burnt a lot of people on the DeLIsles but apparently are now concentrating on the M-3 Grease gun. Not sure if new or the same ownership. Not sure of the sound decibel reading from Valkaryie's, but the originals were quite good as to the sound moderation, having had the opportunity to fire an original DeLisle in the UK many years ago at the old Enfield Lock RSAF. (Dating myself here.) A number of gun makers have made copies and Goodwinds are among the best, however the name DeLisle is now owned by a private UK company and I think he as rattled the chain of a few people claiming to make a "DeLisle carbine. The old boy (DeLisle) was a bit of a character and for some reason did not want his prototypes and drawings to go to the British government after his death and they now all reside in a basement along with is original notes in London Englandicon. There are boxes of notes and prototypes and most of it now will probably never be public domain. I've had a chance to view a lot of it, and it is a pity for the historical aspect. I'll see if I can find some old photographs I took at the time and I see if I can scan and post them down the line.

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    I'm still waiting to hear from Mr Laidlericon here. He should have an earful. I THINK Valkyrie produced non supressed and supressed models. The M3 would be way cool, having fired a good one some years back I know you need two boys with buckets to keep ammo to it.
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    All of the drawings and patents are now in the public domain now Warren. He was a very private man who didn't say much. I would have to differ about their silenced value though. We have three here and as I might have mentioned earlier, they couldn't really compare with a silenced Sten gun. I accept that the noise meter we were using was pretty archaic but you cannot disagree with what you see on the scale and hear. Aurally, the silenced Sten was on a par with the L34 but the delisle was altogether noisier in that it gave a loud POP whereas the Sten and Sterling gave a sort of 'clack' and thump.

    Obviously the DeLisle has entered the hall of firearms classics now - rightly or wrongly - but let's just say that now it's there, let's just leave it. But if I wanted anything quiet....., I mean really quiet....., I'd have a Mk2S Sten gun....................

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