Trophy IP

[Bubba-7]

I said many years ago, " What is real will be fake and what is fake will be real." Look at the discussion of the WRA/GHD on CMP now. Stamp was fake, rear sight was fake. And if the price of corn is up, it is a $5K carbine. It will only get worst as time goes by and more people buy the fake stuff. And they believe their parts are real and your real parts are fake. Now there are books for them to prove it with.

[DaveHH]

anyone with any sense could see this coming a mile away. When you value the parts in something more than the thing, it becomes nothing. The only reason this has gone on is because all of the parts were marked. Wow, let's see, let's try to get all the parts the same. Regardless of it being totally wrong, I'm going to do it. A carbine isn't a carbine, its a Rockola slide. George wasn't stupid, he was just dishonest and there were tons of excitable boys out there ready to buy his junk.

The sorry thing about it is that there are people on these forums who got screwed royally and then said"It's OK I like it anyway" and then turned around and peddled the same junk on someone else. Then did it again, bought some pig in a poke. These 6 million works of industrial art don't deserve this fate.

[Reload]

anyone with any sense could see this coming a mile away. When you value the parts in something more than the thing, it becomes nothing. The only reason this has gone on is because all of the parts were marked. Wow, let's see, let's try to get all the parts the same. Regardless of it being totally wrong, I'm going to do it. A carbine isn't a carbine, its a Rockola slide.

Wow, man did that hit close to home. My recent (and first) M1 acquisition has turned out to be a mixmaster. I was pretty excited when I found the Standard Products receiver. The attached Underwood barrel didn't bug me at all, knowing there's a good chance that's the way it was built. The deeper I dug and learned, the more disappointed I became. Inland stock, handguard, bolt, trigger housing, recoil block. Underwood hammer. AMCO bayonet lug. Rock-Ola slide. Rear sight is marked correctly for several prime contractors. Lever safety, weird magazine release with a large M and a small WA above it.

I got thinking it 'd be neat if I could find more Standard parts. Maybe I could swap, or buy and sell to make it 'complete'. That Rock-Ola slide is worth something, might be able to do a straight up trade. I'd been trying to decide if I should sell the entire gun and try to find one more 'correct', or if I should swap parts, or leave it as is.

Your post convinced me that I should keep it, and leave it alone. It was built to do a job, and in the process of fulfillling its role it was damaged or worn out. It was then rebuilt with parts of other carbines that had suffered a similar fate. They came together to form another carbine, the same as each of the originals, yet different in its own right. It's the only one like it in the world, and it came to be honestly. It deserves to remain intact.

That got more poetic than intended, but you get the point. Thanks for your post.

[DaveHH]

it sounds like a good idea, the problem is that nothing is for sure anymore and especially with a Standard Products, they came in a variety of recipes. Brian Quick's superb write up on Standard Products in the CC issue was the best argument against part swapping I've ever read. They used all kinds of stuff from different makers. So what do you change? Better nothing.
I have a 5.6 Winchester that is thought to be in original configuration (by people smarter than me). Every part on it is Winchester except one, the recoil plate, which is an AU (Underwood). That one part makes it identical to another Win a few hundred away on record in the CC data base. It turns out that Underwood sent 500 recoil plates to Win in Nov 43 and I guess by Mar 44 they dipped into them. So the part swapper would have taken my carbine and immediately removed the one part that proves its originality, to "Correct" it, thereby ruining an original piece. How many times has this happened?? Thousands?
By the way, I really want a SP with a stamped trigger housing. When I stumble upon an "Uncorrected" one I'll get it. They were an innovative manufacturer with high standards.

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Brian Quick's superb write up on Standard Products in the CC issue was the best argument against part swapping I've ever read.

This is all new to me. Can you point me to that article? I'd love to read it.

[DaveHH]

CC issue #366

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Thanks, but no idea what CC means, or where it's at.

Edit:
Nevermind, I found it. A search using 'CC issue 366' turned up the desired results.

Can you tell me when 366 was issued? Any interest in sending it to me? It looks like after I join I'll have to order the back copy and it could take a couple of months before I see anything.

[brianV]

Ok, took me a bit, but I think I see now why the reciever is likely a fake. It's easier to spot when you compare a picture of a real IP reciever(first) with a pic from the Gunbroker auction:

[Bill Hollinger]

Well, I have my ideas but I still don't see anything that jumps out at me

[Rustship]

I dont see it