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    Aia 7.62x39

    Just had my AIA in 7.62 X 39 delivered and wonder if there are other owners of this firearm on this forum.

    Took it to the range and it shot "high right" with the sight provided however have always intended to put on a scope. Have a Bushnell 10X which will be installed tomorrow as I need to buy weaver mounts and rings.

    Ammo is so inexpensive for a CF so considering how much I have just had to have a bolt action that would shoot it.

    Has anyone done enough shooting with one to let me know what to expect in regard to accuracy. Would appreciate any input.

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    I have one as well that I picked up about a year ago. I am embarrased to say that I have yet to shoot it. I too plan to scope it, but want to get the iron sights dialed in as well. Let me know if you get the iron sights dialed in.

    I promise to get it to the range in the next few months and we can compare notes.

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    I am not even going to try to get the flip sight to work, too much effort on that one. Will go with the scope and that will do the trick. Don't think I will shoot it before the weekend but will post the results with the scope when I do.
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    I have an 800 yd Singer sight (off a No 5 rifle) fitted to my AIA carbine.

    Took it to the range last Sunday, was getting 2" groups at 100m range. Ammo was Highland 123 gn soft nose (Privi Partisan cases).

    Surprisingly enough, was still getting useful groups at 300m.

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    Ammo is so inexpensive for a CF so considering how much I have just had to have a bolt action that would shoot it.

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    Beware of some of the Milsurp ammo around, I found that my AIA does NOT like some of shiny varnished stuff - it will not extract the fired case and a cleaning rod has to be resorted to.

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    I have one. Fantastic little rifle - pity that they seem to have vanished from the market. Very cheap to shoot, almost no recoil, and accurate enough with surplus ammo (c. 2 moa) to use in most competitions.

    I use a PH4 sight on mine, as wife and i occasionally shoot it at 300-500 yds.

    I started using Wolf, but found that cheap surplus East Germanicon ammo was significantly more accurate. I bought about 1,000 rnds of mixed surplus, and have discovered that one headstamp out of the eight seems to shoot like match ammo in this particular rifle - probably some slight variation in bullet diameter.


    I gather that AIA has more or less shut up shop; I hope that someone takes the company over and restarts volume production.






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    The issue of lacquered cases in these rifles is an interesting study.

    Even the copper-washed stuff has a clear lacquer top-coat, so it gets down to a bit of experimentation.

    Brass cases, either Jugoslav ammo or commercial "sporting" ammo will give no problems.

    Some of the "chocolate-brown" lacquered Chinese stuff gets messy quickly.

    Has anyone tried the Russianicon stuff with the grey finish?

    One day, just for a giggle I ran a 30 round mag full of the olive-green lacquered Chinese stuff that came in stripper clips in big "sardine cans", through one of these beasties. No sticking, but then I was going as fast as I could in a "Mad Minute" shoot. That st

    Folks who try "surplus" ball ammo in their CZ sporters have similar problems with sticking. Why anyone would shoot that ammo in an expensive European sporter is beyond me, however.

    The other thing about the AIA/ammo conundrum is that if one scrubs out the throat with a bronze brush after each session, the problem is not too bad.

    That green lacquered stuff in the sardine cans is also some of the most accurate of the "surplus" ammo around.

    All that aside, if you shoot lots of cheap "blasting ammo" in one of the AIA carbines, be prepared to clean thoroughly and regularly.

    If you want to avoid extensive cleaning sessions and/or extraction "issues" find a source of brass-cased fodder or build some handloads that match your particular rifle.

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    Never noticed a problem with green or grey cased ammunition. I usually fire 100-200 rounds in a session, and have never noticed any fouling build up. I just do a light clean (bore-snake pull-through followed by Forrest bore foam), and the bore and chamber always come up like a mirror. Perhaps there has been some variation in the barrel production of these rifles - as has been alleged with the 7.62x51 "No4" versions?

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    Thanks for all the posts and I never noticed any problem witht the Czechicon surplus that I used the the other day but didn't shoot that many rounds. Installed the scope today and will get out very soon to see what happens.

    Will be sure to take a cleaning rod and kit just to avoid any problems and considering a SKS shoots unlimited rounds with no problems it must show how tight the chambers are in AIA rifles.

    AIA as far as I know are not exporting any firearms right now but heard they are still in business and I know the rifles had a major increase in price over a year ago.

    It is a shame more aren't available especially in "39" as here in Canadaicon we are awash in surplus ammo.

    A friend has a heavy barrel No4 AIA and apparently it is a amazingly accurate gun. Being quite heavy does help when it comes to recoil and that is a bonus.
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    It's not so much the tightness of the chambers but a matter of heat transfer.

    In a gas-operated rifle, the cases have only barely sprung back off the chamber wall before being hauled out at high speed an spun off into the distance.

    If you have ever had a "fresh" case drop down your shirt-front on a range, you may notice that it is hot, VERY hot.

    However, cases ejected from manually operated arms tend to be merely warm, even if caught in mid-flight.

    The difference is that in the auto-ejecting toy, the heat from the burning propellant has barely penetrated the wall of the cartridge case before it is ejected. In a bolt action, there is time for the heat to penetrate to the outer surface of the case and then be conducted into the very big heat-sink that is the barrel. this gets worse after a few quick rounds as no human operator is quite as "brisk" as a gas piston.

    With the lacquered cases in a bolt action, the heat travels through the metal case and melts the lacquer. This then adheres to the chamber wall.

    In a semi or full auto, whether the chamber is cold or almost red-hot, the lacquer never has time to set hard again before the case disappears into the weeds.

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    I have one. I have a red dot sight on mine and I have found accuracy to be very good. With all the L shaped flip up sights on all the AIA models, I wouldn't even bother. I have used a variety of surplus and commercial ammo and I have not had a single problem with any of my ammo.

    They are a fun rifle to shoot. Enjoy it.

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