Amsdorf
Try selling your video to this guy (I borrowed his pic from another site )
I personaly feel it is very difficult to "almost" impossible to get Garand thumb when loading a "in spec, properly functioning Garand" Although I am smart enough to know anything is possible, never say ,never
Not sure your reasoning on posting stuff like this on multiple gun forums on the internet, gets old fast
The edge of the bolt can pinch the thumb. I've done it. I've got big hands but it is still very possible to pinch it. Yes, at the time I had no idea what I was doing and let it drag a little too long and got it. No, it didn't rip my thumb off but it did catch my attention.
You are correct. It is possible to have the top edge of the bolt, that fits into the barrel counterbore, pinch some skin. I've felt that too when doing a very slow reload. But it was just a slight pinch, no blood or blood blisters, and was certainly very different than getting one's thumb crushed while carelessly handling an empty rifle.
Amsdorf
Try selling your video to this guy (I borrowed his pic from another site )
Looks like someone who got bit while handling an empty rifle.
Not sure your reasoning on posting stuff like this on multiple gun forums on the internet, gets old fast
Amsdorf posts a helpful video that helps dispel a myth and he gets treated like this here???
Reminds me of the Salem Witch Trials. What's next, firewood?
There are quite a few people who are afraid to load an M1 who shouldn't be. I see them at the range trying to load the thing with 2 hands and jumping when the bolt closes. Common sense would tell us that the Army would never have adopted a rifle that, when loading, could cause serious injuries to soldiers whose motor skills would be seriously challenged in combat.
Rock,
Armsdorf has been pushing videos for a few months and it is scary when he buys a new type of weapon then post a big video about it as if he has been using this weapon for years. He is not into it for helping us but to get people to pat him on the back. He has many points of misinformation in his videos and to the new guy it is great but to many of us folks who have been at this for many years we see issues that can harm people who are not familiar with the weapons. I tell my closest friends when I find something of need. He stands on top of the roofs hollering for all to hear and knocks on everyone's doors yelling it is his way and that is it before he even has the check cashed on the purchase.
Next he will be telling you how to tell cartouches and telling me I do not know what I am talking about. I hate to say it but his objective is more for self gratification than for helping others. He has been banned from other forums for this exact reason. There is no discussion with him just listen or you are wrong. Videos are neat but they do not make you correct just because you say so. Sorry. Rick B
Now this is a real helpful video and factual not made up. Rick B
Thanks Rick, one of the other members PM'ed me essentially what you said. Even though I have been a member here for years, I rarely visited because my 11 year old computer loads this forum very slowly for some reason. So, I wasn't aware of the situation with Amsdorf.
I may have provided the inspiration for Amsdorf's Garand thumb video due to my postings on this very same subject over at Jouster and CMP forums some months back. I say that because I haven't seen the 'Garand loading doesn't crush the thumb' subject brought up by anyone other than me. Amsdorf is the only one who can confirm this though.
I will have to say that this particular video is accurate from my experience with this subject. I have actually put my thumb in harms way attempting to disprove my own discovery. My thumb is still in good health after many tries.
I can see that we should add the 'thumb issue' to the 'shouldn't discuss politics or religion if you want to remain friends' phrase. So I'll end it here and say to each his own about this, let experience be everyone's guide.
I think that we might have a different definition of "Garand thumb" going here.
As I understand it, Garand thumb is the act of the bolt fact smashing the thumb, which is in the magazine, when the bolt slams forward, crushing the thumb.
Others are referring to the remote possibility that some part of the bolt slamming forward may nick or scrape the thumb.
I'm talking about the real-deal, full bore, smasheroo to the thumb, Garand thumb.
I remain unconvinced that one can physically get one's thumb in the way of the bolt face as it is moving forward and chambering around when loading a Garand.
Of course, I'd be happy to video tape volunteers to prove once and for all it can/can't happen.
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Originally Posted by ROCK
There are quite a few people who are afraid to load an M1 who shouldn't be. I see them at the range trying to load the thing with 2 hands and jumping when the bolt closes. Common sense would tell us that the Army would never have adopted a rifle that, when loading, could cause serious injuries to soldiers whose motor skills would be seriously challenged in combat.
Bingo, this is precisely why I made the video, to assuage the fears of those who have stayed away from the Garand for fear of smashing their thumb while loading, or who have heard, and believed, the "horror stories" about Garand thumb, either not fully understanding precisely what it is, and why it happens, or having never had it explained carefully enough to them.
You can smash a finger handling any firearm, frankly, if you are bound and determined to do so.
Thanks Rick, one of the other members PM'ed me essentially what you said. Even though I have been a member here for years, I rarely visited because my 11 year old computer loads this forum very slowly for some reason. So, I wasn't aware of the situation with Amsdorf.
My grandson is that old ...
Rock, you may want to read this thread and select the interface style for our site that caters to older and slower computers. That should help you a lot...
thumb when loading a "in spec, properly functioning Garand" Although I am smart enough to know anything is possible, never say ,never
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