Winchester carbine

[DICKX]

What do you guys think of this one. Rebuild parts but I think SN falls within spring tube type, but I am new to all this, still learning unless I can have Rifle on the table with my books I get mixed up ,maybe just to old.
Thanks
DICK

Guns For Sale - Winchester -- M1 CARBINE-April,1943-WWII
Winchester M1 Carbine-Serial #1088xxx (April/1943). RECEIVER is a type 4(recoil spring is inserted in a removable tube). It has what remains of the original finish. No rust. Good condition. REAR SIGHT is a Winchester milled style with a logo of a shield with an ‘H’. The BOLT is the late style (round) with a ’D’ stamp. This bolt is a new replacement. The BARREL looks like to could be original to the receiver. The portion not covered by the stock definitely shows that it served its time as it was intended to do. That area has been touched-up some, but is well done. It is stamped in the appropriate area with a ’W’. The Muzzle Wear (MW) is an impressive 1.0 and its bore is nice and bright. Headspace is excellent. The FRONT SIGHT is stamped with an ’EU” (Underwood). The BAYONET LUG is of the late style. TRIGGER HOUSING ASSEMBLY has a Winchester housing with a ’W’ and an ’o’, trigger is stamped ’RIA’(Rock Island Arsenal), hammer is stamped ’W’, safety is the late, flip handle style, magazine catch is of last style (enhanced to prevent the magazine from freely dropping out of chamber) and is stamped ‘ M ‘. The magazine is stamped ’AI” on the edge. STOCK is the low-wood M2 style. The sling opening is the oval-cut style. There is an ‘IO’ in the sling well, ‘P’ under the pistol grip, and an ‘RIA-1’ on the bottom of grip. The HAND GUARD is stamped ‘RSG’ and is a good color match to the stock.

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[painter777]

(recoil spring is inserted in a removable tube).

Dick,
The add pretty well states it's a spring tube. At that serial # I'd expect it to have the 2 milled notches to ease removing the slide. But no cut for the spring tube (which I believe wouldn't have the lug on it).
1,088,xxx receiver should look like the one posted about by Mannparks, a 1,090,xxx : WRA pics

I'm trying to remember who made the round bolt with the D stamp.
Seems like they had the gas hole on the bottom and marked with the D on the left lug, but I'm often wrong.
I do believe the maker of the D marked bolt was from the Detroit, Mi area and seems like they had legal problems, maybe not completing a contract...... but not sure.

FWIW,
I'll try searching around for more info about the D marked bolts.

Charlie-painter777

[DICKX]

I think the receiver, barrel, trigger housing is all winchester but the stock, and the rest has been through a rebuild, as picture of stock is to nice for that serial number. Auction starts at $745.00 and who knows where it will go, it only has 7 hours left but every body is waiting until the last I bet. I emailed the seller and asked about import mark, better picture of barrel and if any rebuild stamps on left side of stock but no answer so that kind of throws up a red flag to me.
Dick
PS / Buyer finally got back to me - W - 3" down from front sight, so barrel must te winchester no other stamping on the stock, and the bolt is new with new internals with a letter D stamped at the end of the right lug. He said headspace was ok, Stock must have been sanded at some time to make it look good. No crack's in wood. I asked for slide type & stamping & all he said was Underwood.
Thanks
Dick

[USAFChief]

I think the receiver, barrel, trigger housing is all winchester but the stock, and the rest has been through a rebuild, as picture of stock is to nice for that serial number. Auction starts at $745.00 and who knows where it will go, it only has 5 hours left but every body is waiting until the last.
I emailed the sell and asked about import mark, better picture of barrel and if any rebuild stamps on left side of stock but no answer so that kind of throws up a red flag to me.
Dick

Don't forget that if it was rebuilt at an overseas Depot it wouldn't have been stamped as such - also, all of the upgraded parts could have been installed by Field Maintenance.

[painter777]

Dick,
It's been thru at least 1 re-build.

I found a little info about the D marked bolts:
Who made this Bolt?

Charlie-painter777

[DICKX]

New description of carbine
Winchester M1 Carbine-Serial #1088xxx (April/1943). RECEIVER is a type 4(recoil spring is inserted in a removable tube). It has what remains of the original finish. No rust. Good condition. The RECOIL PLATE has a punch mark which was typical to Winchester. REAR SIGHT is a Winchester milled style with a logo of a shield with an ‘H’. The name “Winchester” is hidden by the Rear Sight(as is part of the serial number). The BOLT is the late style (round) with a ’D’ stamp. This bolt is a new replacement. The BARREL looks like to could be original to the receiver. The bore is bright and clean. The portion not covered by the stock definitely shows that it served its time as it was intended to do. That area has been touched-up some, but is well done. It is stamped in the appropriate area with a ’W’. The headspace is excellent. The Muzzle Wear (MW) is an impressive 1.0 . OPERATING SLIDE is stamped D-7161843-7 HSA. The finish is excellent. Lugs are sharp. Like new. FRONT SIGHT is stamped with an ’EU” (Underwood). The BAYONET LUG is of the late style(Type 3). TRIGGER HOUSING ASSEMBLEY has a Winchester housing with a ’W’ and an ’o’, trigger is stamped ’RIA’(Rock Island Arsenal), hammer is stamped ’W’, safety is the late, flip handle style, magazine catch is M2 style (enhanced to prevent 30-rd magazines from freely dropping out of chamber) and is stamped ‘ M ‘. The magazine is stamped ’AI” on the edge. STOCK is the low-wood M2 style. The sling opening is the oval-cut style. There is an ‘IO’ in the sling well, ‘P’ on the pistol grip, and an ‘RIA-1’ on the bottom of grip. The HAND GUARD is stamped ‘RSG’ and is a good color match to the stock. A green cotton-web sling, oiler, and 10-rd magazine are included in this sale.


I was able to get pictures of the carbine, and the one that shows the new black bolt which he said stamped with a D on right lug.
The receiver is Winchester and also the barrel but not the stock and has had the rebuilds at some time ( no rebuild marks on left side )
I know I bug you guys a lot but you have so much knowledge.
Thanks
Dick
http://s1236.photobucket.com/albums/...na19x/Carbine/

[painter777]

Hey Dick,
I see he's not so good with pictures.
That said,
Looks as though only the Receiver, barrel and Spring Tube may be left over originals to this one.
One concern; Does it look to you like it may have a grind mark on the heel/tang of the receiver under the serial #?
Rear Adj sight is a replacement and has been staked.
Front sight is a replacement.
Type II Spring tube housing is without the mounting lug... correct.
Receiver is a Type II, 2 milled notches for the op slide, no cut out for a spring tube lug and the slide stop pin hole is drilled all the way thru.
Trigger housing is a WRA, Could be a Type V with the oil/lube hole on the left side, But I think I can see that the rear magwall on the right has been cut back for the M2 parts, so could be a Type III or V converted or a type VI, Too hard to tell from these pictures.
Recoil plate looks to be post WWII, Cast.
Bayo band is made for Inland, marked KI. This band is probably covering up the Ovaled PW which should be about 7 1/4" from the muzzle.
Op slide is post WWII, made by HSA and is a Type VI for use in a M2.
Stock made by Overton for Inland, Late WWII or possible a replacement and never issued or markings other than (OI) have been sanded.


Tell me what are your concerns?
Charlie-painter777

[DICKX]

Charlie,
Thank you very much for taking time to look at the pictures. You have a keen eye, I didn't see the grind mark' and I didn't see the slide stop pin hole is drilled all the way thru. I had been reading about that as could weaken the receiver I was also concerned about the new bolt with the marked D on the lug , until I was doing some looking on your artical on 04-2011 which was interesting at 12:30 AM this morning. I don't think I want anything to do with that bolt as may have been made in a foreign country. I knew there were a lot of non winchester parts. I really had to prod the seller for more pictures and then some were not close ups liked I asked for . I think these people on these gun sales sites don't want to put good detailed pictures up, but do they want the customers not to be happy when they get the rifle. I am only going to look at Carbines that I can set at a table, tear down and use books to research them. I don't have the funds to waste on somebody's junk.
That is what I like about the CMP M1 Garands, may get a mix of parts but they are USGI. I wish I would have known about when they were selling the Carbines. I think most of the guy's on this forum and on CMP's can be trusted if they have good feedback.

Thanks again for all your help. This forum is lucky to have a individuial such as youself that gives his time and knowledge to help other people. I hope your recovery from your surgery goes good for you.
Thanks
Dick

[painter777]

Kind words,
Thank you Dick.
I just happen to have some time on my hands.
Anyone here would have stepped up and helped you.
One of the nicest carbines I own was offered to me from a forum.
Stay tuned, good sellers are out there.
One will come forward.

Cheers and enjoy your 4th

Charlie-painter777

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

Don't be so modest Charlie. You go out of your way, even when you don't have time on your hands, to help anyone with a question.

Truely one of the nicest and helpful guys on this forum.

Thanks,

Jim

Kind words,
Thank you Dick.
I just happen to have some time on my hands.
Anyone here would have stepped up and helped you.
One of the nicest carbines I own was offered to me from a forum.
Stay tuned, good sellers are out there.
One will come forward.

Cheers and enjoy your 4th

Charlie-painter777