? Fake parts m1 carbine

[ANECTINE]

aS A NOVICE i WAS LOOKING FOR A FLIP SIGHT FOR MY ARSENAL REBUILD Irwin Petersen .
Got on Gunbroker and waited for a couple of day and one came up for auction.put a bid in for 150 and one it for 135. That night i joined this site and started reading about the fake part dealers such as George ,Riverbank Armory. Much to my dismay I found out that abcleigh was the same individual that i got the sight from . I have not paid for it yet so here is my dilemma . Should i not to pay and ruin my A+ rating or just take my lumps and pay for a repro RP irwin sight that is only worth about 15 dollars. My inclination is to just go ahead and pay but it does p---s me off .Any comments would be greatly appreciated
Chuck Lobrano

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[Bubba-7]

How would you feel if you had bought five or ten or maybe twenty over a two to three year period and then found out they were fakes. What is your A+ rating worth?

[Patrick Chadwick]

Did the auction text state that the sight was original, or that it was an Irwin Petersen sight. If so, then you could do the following: write to the seller and say, avoiding any emotional adjectives, that as the price is only justified for an original and you cannot inspect the object before purchase, you require a guarantee of that originality before paying.

If the auction text did not make any such statement, then you are stuck with the options you already outlined - lose your money or your rating. Personally, I would keep my money.

[Bill Ricca]

Recommendation: Many sellers of fake items never describe them as "US GI". Before bidding, register on the auction board, send a message asking if the item is "Original US GI".

If you get a vague answer, do not purchase. If you get a nasty answer claiming many have put out bad information, do not purchase. If you get no answer, do not purchase. If you do not get a statement that it is "US GI", do not purchase.

Remember each seller and their response to your questions.

[ANECTINE]

Thanks for all the replies , The listing was as following "M1 Carbine IP flip sight RP/RP" It makes no mention of originality except
that it is used [Description] Also the inspection time is unspecified. I include the link for the item M1 Carbine IP flip sight RP/RP : Other Gun Accessories & Parts at GunBroker.com
I was not trying to bring the old rifle back to restored condition
because it has to many thing that are mismatched [Stock Winchester Trigger group Inland ect} I just liked the Type one sight .I still don't like being deceived and paying a price of an original when it is not. I was going on the fact that he stated that it was a used IP as stated not a repo. I think just for the record I will do as Mr Chadwick
recommends and write him back and say since I could not inspect it before purchase that I would expect it to be original.
Bubba you are correct I should not "worry " too much about a rating but I must admit my conscious gets to me because I did entered an auction and bidded. Thanks for all the rec and I will in the future try to follow Mr Ricca's advice. Does an one sell
original parts such as the particular sight that i need
Chuck Lobrano

[INLAND44]

There is no written description whatsoever on the item except for the title. You won it, now pay for it. You can't impose your own restrictions AFTER bidding on it. You bid on the auction as it was presented, and won it. If you decide to not honor the agreement you consented to by bidding, you will become a 'non-paying bidder' which pretty much is the 'kiss of death' on an auction site. If I sold an item and the buyer started asking questions after he won it, I would be incensed. This has never happened, because I give good descriptions with full disclosure as far as my knowledge permits. I have been on ebay since 1998 and GB since 2000, and based on what I've seen on the link provided, you would have no grounds for any action against the seller unless you pay and he fails to send you the exact item pictured.

[painter777]

To the OP,
You are concerned about your GB rating?
You might want to look over your recent buys from Sam-T-Bob...

FWIW,
Charlie-painter777

[ANECTINE]

Thanks Inland for your input . As stated in my post my conscious would keep me honoring what I bought . I have no intentions of not paying the full amount of not only that item but the other two that I bought . My rating on Gunbroker is of second nature although I have bought other things from other people that now seem to have a checkered past due to Mr Painter comment . . I have spoken a few times to Sam-t-Bob [Sam Ransum] and he always seemed to be up front about the rifles I bought saying they were project guns that he had restored to their original configuration as best as he could . He never once told me they were "original" ww2 carbines .I guess he is another person that has gotten a bad reputation from this forum because I guess he restores with fake parts obtained from abcleigh or L and S Supply or any other of the plethora of merchants that deal in reproduction parts. The only thing that I was p--s about is that it was advertised as an IP flip sight with rp/rp. It was no such thing .It was a reproduction part that had lettering rp on the side and base . It had nothing to do with original Irwin Pedersen. Therefore it had everything to do with fraud in it's presentation . But no less I had no intention of not paying due to my ignorance.I just wanted to have input from people on this site as to who might be the most offensive of the replica dealers.I have over 20 M1 Carbines now that I have collected over the past 15 years . All are in their ww2 configuration . I obtained most from my cousin who has been collecting for the past 45 years . He has advised me to be careful but occasionally I have strayed from his reservation and bought guns on my own [such as Sam t Bob] and been burned but my cousin always told me that 98% or more of these rifles have in some way been reassembled by troops,restored by collectors or rebuilt by the armories. He has over 100 carbines of which he says that the only a couple were what he considered bring backs that have never been touched by collectors, shysters , restorers or any other individuals. The only thing that he said is if you want to put part on the rifle always try to get an original one . He does not get on forums but usually only deals with friends that collect also and goes to Gunshows so he knew nothing of abcleigh. But he did know of the reputation of RiverbankArmory in California .I collect these old Rifles for my own personal reasons and have no intention of ever selling them for profit or investment . I enjoy seeing them "restored " to their original configuration just as I enjoy seeing an old antique car restored to it's original state however I do not like being deceived about fake parts that presented as original manufactures . Again I will state it was my ignorance and I have full intentions of paying !!!!! Gunbroker rating or not .All I really would like to know at this point who are the merchants that have a reputation as selling these counterfeit parts or better yet who are some individuals who are know for their honesty and sell quality parts so individuals can avoid this in the future.

Sorry about the length but i felt that some of my comments were misconceived
Thank You again
Chuck Lobrano

[ANECTINE]

I don't want to offend any one because I am a newbie to this forum but I am not knowledgeable on abbreviations
Could you tell me what OP and FWIW stand for

[deldriver]

OP= Original poster (in most cases) FWIW= For what it's worth (in most cases). Don't feel bad, I have to look up stuff from time to time.