ishapore 2a1-- scope mounting?

[Surpmil]

I have read when NEW; Britt battle rifles were passable at a 6” x 4” group (precision).
The H&H telescopic sight program selection was based on a 3” x 3” group (precision) or there abouts.

6"x6" if I remember the Little Green Book correctly! But the minimum, or in this case maximum standard is just that, a maximum, and I suspect that the rifles that went to H&H were MUCH better than that. I would be surprised if they were not well under MOA rifles. Remember they had an awful lot of rifles to choose from and they were all brand new. Other than bedding, H&H didn't make the rifles more accurate, they just made them easier to aim by putting a scope on, and lots of them shoot under MOA even today.

[Ridolpho]

Other than bedding, H&H didn't make the rifles more accurate

Surpmil: I can't remember seeing previous comments about H&H working on bedding. Do you have any specific examples of what they did? Thanks,

Ridolpho

[Peter Laidler]

H&H did NOTHING else to No4T's. By definition, they were accurate before and when they came in. They were stripped and the foillowing day were re-assembled with exactly the same fore-end/furniture as when they came in so were in the same accurate condition when they went out. That is why the fore-ends and butts were numbered to the rifles

[tower06]

Nice targets! It looks to be the type used at 100yards, you have a circle around the group and a note indicating "3" in the group / session and some projectile data - We have a fun / honor target shoot system here so we should at least trust that it is what you say it is. That is a very respectable Ishapore! - Great work Wireman!

Terminology and application can be confused so I would like to offer:
Accuracy - the location of the group in relation to a center point of aim - in this case about 1.5” to the right (0.5" left for your second group / photos)
Precision - the relation of the shots in a group to each other without reference to a point of aim (often given as a Mean Group radius or similar) - in this case the first group around 0.5 MGR and 0.75 for the second)

I have read when NEW; Britt battle rifles were passable at a 6” x 4” group (precision).
The H&H telescopic sight program selection was based on a 3” x 3” group (precision) or there abouts.
The shooting position, supports and number of shots need to be considered – more stringent to demonstrate 1MOA capability.

Accuracy is achieved through technique, practice, ammunition (per Wireman) and sight adjustments. A PH sight is great to eliminate little more of the sight picture error from technique and practice for most users – and offers great 1 click sight adjustments for accuracy improvements when in good working order. A scope also allows many beginning, special needs or optically challenged shooters to gain the easiest and most direct (single plane) sight picture and also allows for click adjustable accuracy improvements.

So back to the question of putting a scope (or any other sight) on an Ishapore (or any other rifle) – shoot it first! The hit “cloud” is usually the start of a tuning process to squeeze (precision) and shift (accuracy) where many other adjustments are available before a new sight. You will get more out of an already precise rifle with a peep and even more with a scope – but all sights will help adjust for accuracy. After that, applying your choice or need of sight device is a preference, procedure (drill / tap – attach to existing features / fasteners) and price consideration.
Echomachine: For the latter I would recommend reviewing Sarco’s price and version of the No32 kit (their new location not far from Doylestown PA) -still not compatible with the No1Mk3 body shape. Or check out the No1 Mk3 scope rails for the receiver or rear sight locations. I am local to you too, PM if interested in technical discussion or shoot opportunities.

Happy New Year!

Been looking to do this myself. Have 2 Ishy 2a's. Was thinking of using the Acuumount P14 scope mouts as they seem close enough to a HT scope mount the Aussies used.

If you guys get anything up and running, let me know. Would be interested is seeing what comes of it.

[DamonL]

My 2A1 @ 100m using 200gn Matchkings, 39gn 2208 in ADI brass.
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