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    Quote Originally Posted by scharfschutzen63 View Post
    If I understand correctly, proof firing Is based on pressure and not bullet weight. I believe a high power rifle cartridge proof round develops 150% of the pressure of SAAMI maximum. The purpose of proof firing is to prove the action can safely handle standard ammunition.
    This is a military proof not civilian proofed rifle for one particular round in a proof up situation. You don't know what the failure rate was. There was failures in the range rifle proof programme where all rifles had to pass. SAAMI has had nothing to do with this or any input into how it was done. I suggest you read up on Britishicon proof rounds and how they are used.

    Bruce in Oz velocities over 3,000fps with 155gn projectiles seem to be the norm using ADI brass. My L42 using NRAA loads is in the 2900+ bracket.

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    Much has been said and written about the bullet weight debate with Enfield Riflesicon converted to 7.62mm, especially in the UKicon after the NRA (Bisley) decided rather erroneously that the practice of shooting a 155 gr bullet in an Enfield action could be dangerous. I should add that they have since rescinded that advice!

    At the time of the NRA advice I was LERA's TR Captain and the club secretary had decided that in club guns we should stick to 144 gr ammunition, which whilst available a lot of it was found to be wanting in accuracy at the longer ranges.
    I experimented with some Sierra 150gr SMK's which Fultons were selling and managed a 50 at 900 yards (my first ever) on Stickledown with a Geoff Hart converted No.4 using 44gr of N140 under the 150gr SMK.
    Some research after the event has shown that a few target rifle shooters were actually using 150 gr SMK's during the 1970's when Radway Green ammunition didn't come up to scratch with the then new Raufoss 7.62mm which was being imported from Scandinavia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick303 View Post
    The interesting thing about these Envoys/L39/L42 rifles is how well they shoot decent lots of green and black sport 7.62 NATO, or (so I am told) better lots of Germanicon DM 41 or Austrian Patronen 58 cartridges. The Austrians used the Patronen 58 in their SSG 69 to good effect out to 700 M, or so I am told. Both are on the market now in the US of A. A lot of people assume that the last set of 7.62 innovations were game changers, they were not. The old arms with the ammunition they were designed for are capable of fine performance, unless you are doing some serious competition, where the small advantages in velocity consistency, bullet quality will have a cumulative effect. The fun of shooting these old war horses is getting the best performance out of them in the period correct method.
    That does rap it up nicely, I've had excellent results in the past with the German Surplus 7.62, which to me has the edge on RG surplus, although being a reloader always tried to match bullet weight etc to the original spec, Vhitavori N140 was my choice of powder as it covered a wide range of calibre's etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigduke6 View Post
    That does rap it up nicely, I've had excellent results in the past with the Germanicon Surplus 7.62, which to me has the edge on RG surplus, although being a reloader always tried to match bullet weight etc to the original spec, Vhitavori N140 was my choice of powder as it covered a wide range of calibre's etc.
    It you're referring to the German 1980's MEN surplus I have to agree, for the price it's been wonderful value for money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strangely Brown View Post
    It you're referring to the Germanicon 1980's MEN surplus I have to agree, for the price it's been wonderful value for money.
    MEN 7.62 X 51 Nato (Per 100) - ITL Shooting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strangely Brown View Post
    It you're referring to the Germanicon 1980's MEN surplus I have to agree, for the price it's been wonderful value for money.
    That's exactly the 'stuff' I been using in my L42 and Enforcers.
    Getting a bit short now tho' down to the last few 100 rounds.
    Mine are not the best, but they are not too bad. I can think of lots of Enfields I'd rather have but instead of constantly striving for more, sometimes it's good to be satisfied with what one has...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strangely Brown View Post
    It you're referring to the Germanicon 1980's MEN surplus I have to agree, for the price it's been wonderful value for money.
    I've got a couple of 20 rd packs of MEN, must get round to trying it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strangely Brown View Post
    It you're referring to the Germanicon 1980's MEN surplus I have to agree, for the price it's been wonderful value for money.
    Thats the stuff Mick, seemed a waste of time reloading when I've this to hand.

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    Lots of discussion locally about "hot" .308 loading to succeed at 1000yd shooting.

    Compressed loads of "slower-burning" propellants like AR2208, Vihtavuori N140 and IMR4064 will get your SMKs and HBCs to 2900fps in a 26 inch barrel, possibly pushing it over the "magic" line with a 28 inch tube. Of course, bullet specific throating will help.

    Other factors are case capacity and primer brissance. Some folks are using 'magnum" large-rifle primers to ignite these compressed loads of slower propellants. I've been doing something similar in .223 brass for nearly two decades, but it took a few REALLY cratered primers and loose primer pockets to get the recipe right. Worth it, in the grand scheme of things? It was certainly "educational". Rupturing a primer cup with one of these "energetic" loadings will do expensive mischief to the bolt face and striker. If, after firing, your primers have flattened "muffin-tops" and cratering around the striker indent and bolt lift is a little "stiff", you are living close to the edge. The appearance of extended, "Tacticool" bolt handles on old Omarks pressed into "F Class" service is interesting.

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    GGG is also brilliant STANAG spec ammo, available in 5.56 and 7.62

    GGG 7.62x51mm 147Gr FMJ (100Rds) | ammo-zone

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