M84 scope without serial number

[JOMA]

Dear friends,

I have a question with a M84 scope mounted on a Springfield M1903A3. This scope has no serial number on the nameplate, and although I think it's original, make me seriously doubt about its origin. I attached several pictures to give me your opinion.
Thank you very much.

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[tomwatts]

No expert here, but Sarco is selling M84 Clones for $450.00 that look very much like that, they also advertise serial number plates, with and without a number.

My bet is its a SARCO or other new clone.

[JGaynor]

From the location of the receiver markings and the Serial Number 3423334 the rifles receiver appears to be a real M1903A4 sniper (even though it may be marked M1903A3).
The scope base is a commercial replacement.

Would like to see more pictures if possible.

Regards,

Jim

[tower06]

Yep does look like thr Sarco repro. Saw them in the store a few weeks back.

[Neal Myers]

I knew the scope repair technician who contracted with Sarco about 15-20 years ago. Sarco had bought hundreds of broken/incomplete scopes, as well as parts, & his job was to assembly as many complete scopes as possible. Prior to the contract, he had a bucket full of demilled M84's (cut in half) that he used for parts; I don't know if he used the name plates from those for the Sarco project, but he did have quite a few unnumbered plates that were included with the Sarco parts. Eventually, Sarco parts scopes ran out, & high demand led them to contract for Chinese reproductions. I've never examined one of their Chinese scopes, but would assume that they are more crudely made than the original Libbey Owens Ford scopes.

Neal

[tower06]

I knew the scope repair technician who contracted with Sarco about 15-20 years ago. Sarco had bought hundreds of broken/incomplete scopes, as well as parts, & his job was to assembly as many complete scopes as possible. Prior to the contract, he had a bucket full of demilled M84's (cut in half) that he used for parts; I don't know if he used the name plates from those for the Sarco project, but he did have quite a few unnumbered plates that were included with the Sarco parts. Eventually, Sarco parts scopes ran out, & high demand led them to contract for Chinese reproductions. I've never examined one of their Chinese scopes, but would assume that they are more crudely made than the original Libbey Owens Ford scopes.

Neal

Sarco advertises as original unmarked plates from the oem manufacturer. Could be the case. Scopes looked good up close but didn't play with them to see if they worked well.

[JOMA]

Hello JGaynor,

the rifle is a Remington marked M1903A3. I´ll attach more pictures this week.
Thank you very much.

[m1903rifle]

The rifle pictured is a 1903A4 because of the serial number and serial number placement. Remington did not mark them as 1903A4, but the serial number, serial number placement, serial number font size, and location of the U.S. MODEL 1903-A3 REMINGTON are distinctive only to the M1903-A4.

[JOMA]

Some more pictures with the markings.
I have the rifle in fire and I assure you the scope works perfectly. The bases are a very old model of Leupold, maybe 50´s - 60´s.
Thank you.

[m1903rifle]

It is a SNIPER M1903-A4, but it appears that the barrel has been changed to a Smith-Corona barrel.