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Originally Posted by
Patrick Chadwick
Back to basics: it is a REVOLVER not a PISTOL.
The difference is not just a matter of words. When a revolver is fired, the inertia of the bullet means that it first tends to obturate (bump up) to fit the front of the chamber in the cylinder, then it is rammed into the forcing cone and swaged down, then it is finally forced into the rifling. Quite a lot of stress in this process, so the first consideration, especially as this is a design going back to the black powder era, is to be kind to the mechanism and NOT feed it with modern jacketed bullets! As pistols do not exhibit this bump up/swage down effect, they can use much closer-fitting, harder bullets.
The 455 designation is also a hang-over from the 19th century. For all practical purposes the Webley Mk VI is a .45 revolver. 452-453 lead bullets fly very satisfactorily. Once again, this is all happening at BP velocities, so a BH of 15 is sufficient and also permits an adequate bump-up effect. The original bullet was a 255 (or was that 265) gn round-nose with a hollow base (which aids the bumping up).
It is a pity that the cylinder has been shortened. This was done post WW1 to enable the use of 45 ACP ammo. However, most modern .45ACP is going to be unsuitable (too hotly loaded, bullets too hard). Using moon clips is also a PITA, if you can even find them. That is why 45 Auto Rim was invented, and those are the cases which you should use, and forget the moon clips.
I don't know if you will be able to find such ammo at an acceptable price, so I think you are going to have to get used to the idea of loading your own ammo if you want shooting satisfaction from a Webley.
First of all, ALL revolvers ARE PISTOLS, but not all PISTOLS are revolvers.
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10-13-2020 05:20 PM
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Most dealers in the USA are aware of the penalties if caught shipping any kind of firearm components cross border. Even pins and screws must be lodged first with Customs and Border protection and an International Transaction Number is a requirement prior to posting. This is a royal pain in the *** for most dealers because you must be a registrant with the Dept. of Commerce and CBP/Census with an active account in order to do it. Most can't be bothered. When I was doing quite a bit of it; it became so time consuming and of course, lets not forget the paperwork burden that comes with it that I started charging a $50 fee which ran off the punters. Many individuals are still happily mailing stuff back and forth cross border in violation of the law with fraudulent declarations etc, etc. That's all fine and dandy until the day you get caught.
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"...it is a REVOLVER not a PISTOL..." Revolvers were pistols until self-loaders came along.
"...they will not accept orders from outside the US..." There are U.S. Federal regulations put in place by unelected and elected civil servants that make importing and exporting anything to do with firearms a gigantic PITA. Export permits are required for some stuff regardless of what it is. That's the U.S. Dept of State. Plus there are countries they won't ship to anyway. AND the manufacturer requires an expensive Commerce Dept. exporters licence to export anything. Most U.S. manufacturers can sell everything they make at home and just don't bother with expensive government permits.
Reloading components cannot be exported without the State Dept's permit. Reloading equipment is ok with everybody though. Lotta this idiocy is the result of the 9/11 attacks. Most likely due to anti-firearm ownership elected civil servants seeing a way to further harass the law abiding.
"...The original bullet was a 255..." It was a jacketed bullet of 265 grains and either cordite or nitro-cellulose propellant to comply with The Hague Convention.
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You're putting out incorrect information Sunray. The State Department DDTC handed over almost everything except machine guns, current issue military sniping equipment and accoutrements to the Dept. of Commerce back in March. The expensive yearly ITAR registration with DoS no longer applies to most of the things we deal in but one must still register with DoC and CBP/Census, make an account and do all of the licensing procedures and record keeping that has always been required and subject to compliance inspection by ICE should the need arise. 9/11 also has nothing to do with it as ITAR has been in place for long before that happened.
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