Remington 870 riot gun sells for 10k

[gfguns]

Hello All

Did anyone see this? Unless I am mistaken Bruce Canfield's book says to beware of these especially with the Marine markings. This one sold for almost 10k
*Remington Model 870 - Cowan's Auctions


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[jmoore]

Yah, but somebody also paid perfectly good money (US$1725.00!) for this thing:

http://www.cowansauctions.com/auctio...?ItemId=124306

Must be nice... Might be worth US$200 in parts. Maybe.

[mtrpdw]

Yes...buddy should have spent $50.00 on Canfield's book, before hand, and saved himself $9,725.00!! I created a pretty good USMC M870 Mk.1 "clone", but only after a lot of painstaking research. This fake USMC shotgun is wrong on many levels:

- Serial number range is within the U.S. military "Riot Gun" range - such as the U.S. Navy Property guns. M870 Mk.1's normally had "S" prefix - not "T".
- USMC Mk.1's were hand etched with property markings - not the "laser engraving" which are now offered by several companies - this looks laser engraved.
- Stock looks new condition, with wood graining uncommon to a 1960's-1970's military stock.
- Stock doesn't have a rear sling swivel (513T type), and, judging from the picture, doesn't look like it even has been drilled for one.
- USMC logo, and other stamps on stock, are obviously fakes - fake stamps can be bought on eBay.
- Forend is just wrong - sculpting of upper forend is wrong - even if it was a replacement.
- Barrel is 20", not proper for the USMC Mk.1, which was 21" - 20" is proper U.S. Air Force and Navy M870's.
- Bayonet Adaptor Sleeve - is early one-piece model, which, in fact, was on prototype M870 Mk.1's (with Rifle Sight Ramp soldered on). This early type Sleeve was marketed for the Law Enforcement and the early U.S. Air Force market - I remember seeing a bin-full of them at Remington, Ilion, NY, back around 1989 - they were $9.50 back then! Now go on eBay or GunBroker for $350.00 - $550.00.
- Issue USMC M870 Mk.1's had the two-piece Adaptor Sleeves, with Rifle Sight Ramp soldered on. Later on, as the rifle front sight itself was knocked off, the USMC Mk.1's had Bead Sight Bayonet Adaptor Sleeves replace the older ones - but these were of the two-piece design (same as the ASAF used).

With the Bayonet Adaptor Sleeve being the most desirable part, this should be have been a $800.00 gun, if that - a similar one, with two-piece adaptor sleeve, sold on GunBroker for around $400.00 - a bargain!!

My two cents...

On a side note...I find it interesting that the USMC Museum in Quantico, VA, doesn't have a Remington USMC 870 Mk.1 on display in any of their time-period exhibits.



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[gfguns]

Wow that is great information. Do you know Buddy?

[Chuckindenver]

humped gun for sure..like the USMC mark on the stock...iv held many genuine Mark1s and have yet to see that stamp...make ist real rare.
an observation on the finish.
the genuine guns iv seen
the action slide arm were blued, bolts blued, notice the trigger has rust. and the rest of the gun is perfect? so..just the trigger and safety rusted...not the rest of the shotgun.
butt stock should have a wide swivle like the M40 and 513T..
Barrel should be Ord marked, and serialed to the action...
buy a bayonet lug, park it, stamp it..get rich at it...yea.