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[3154tm]

hi all,
i'm beginning the search for my first M1 carbine. actually, i'm looking for a transferable M2 or registered M2 trigger group for a conversion. this seemed like a good place to start and from what i've read so far it's a very knowledgeable group. I've got 2 of L Ruth's books which should keep me from asking to many really stupid questions. so have mercy on a newbie and i'll try and pay it forward when i have something to contribute.
thanks,
frank

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[Bill Hollinger]

Welcome to milsurps.com. There are some of the greatest folks here you will ever run across here. You might try posting in the WBT forum for a transferable M2.

[JimF4M1s (Deceased)]

As Bill say's Welcome.

[imarangemaster]

I third the motion. WELCOME to the best, most knowledgable, and friendliest Carbine Forum.

[3154tm]

thanks all for the friendly welcome.
bill, that's good advice but at this point i just don't know enough to post a detailed WTB.
the incredible amount of info for M1 carbines is a little overwhelming. the situation with M2's is a little simpler but not much.
at this point i'd really like to find a registered part and and while waiting for my stamp take my time looking for a host. would be nice to find just the right M2 though.
thanks again,
frank

[emmagee1917]

The registered kits consist of the seven following parts . 1) selector lever , 2) 9-spring , 3) rocker assmly with riveted pin , 4) m2 hammer , 5) disconector , 6) disconector spring , 7) disconector plunger.
You will also need a m2 slide , trigger housing , sear , and stock , but these are not considered part of the kit.
The serial number of the kit MUST be on one of the kit parts , usually #3 .
Advantage of kit , cheeper and can go from gun to gun. Host gun returns to M1 status when kit is removed.
Advantage of M2 , reciever not likely to break or wear out like parts can , spare parts stash is allowed , M1 is not like a M16 series with a ton of different styles and calibers ( nor like the H&Ks ) .
Welcome and enjoy.
Chris

[3154tm]

thanks for the info. i have passed on a couple of M2's with registered receivers because i have been paranoid about problems caused by an OOB round. i'd heard or read somewhere that while not common that it does occur. i assume that with full auto it might be more likely. and if a registered receiver is destroyed i guess that's it. while a rocker can be moved from gun to gun as you mentioned.
how likely is the rocker to have problems that can't be repaired. i've also seen kits in which the disconector was the registered part and i know of one with a slide. is there any way you could trash a slide?
i realize the M2 carbine is limited as an FA gun and ammo is expensive but where else can you get the history ,provenance and iconic good looks of the M1 carbines.
i have a couple of MAC's and they're great fun, especially with the after market uppers and because it's the frame that's registered you can't destroy or wear them out and nothing that can't be repaired or replace cheaply. but it's not the same.
thanks again,
frank

[emmagee1917]

It is very hard to destroy a reciever . Much easier to have a small part break. The kit is registered , all seven parts. The part that has the number stamped on it , usually the rocker due to size and softness , but sometimes the disconnector , is NOT the registered part. It is the part in the registered kit that has the kit's number on it. A small , but important difference. By the law , if any part breaks in the kit , it must be repaired. Not replaced , repaired. Now , what happens if someone has a registered kit with the number on the rocker and the 9-spring breaks or is lost. Does he cry because he's now lost his kit , or does he buy another spring with noone being the wiser ? He now has an illeagle kit , but who's to know ?
Now , the other matter is the "kit" you saw with the number on the slide. If that kit only has the number on the slide , it is illeagle. The number MUST be on a part of the kit . The slide is not nor ever has been a part of a kit , even though needed to have the kit work. No problem adding the number to a part , but as is , it is like a M1911 with it's only serial number on the wood stock grip rather than the reciever. Run away.
Just my .02
Chris

[CrossedCannons]

It is very hard to destroy a reciever . Much easier to have a small part break. The kit is registered , all seven parts. The part that has the number stamped on it , usually the rocker due to size and softness , but sometimes the disconnector , is NOT the registered part. It is the part in the registered kit that has the kit's number on it. A small , but important difference. By the law , if any part breaks in the kit , it must be repaired. Not replaced , repaired. Now , what happens if someone has a registered kit with the number on the rocker and the 9-spring breaks or is lost. Does he cry because he's now lost his kit , or does he buy another spring with noone being the wiser ? He now has an illeagle kit , but who's to know ?

I don't believe this is correct. The "kit" can be "repaired" by repairing or replacing any nonregistered part just like any other R&R repair. The registered part (or more specifically the part bearing the kit registration number if you like) must be "repaired" and not replaced if needed to repair a "kit".

Of course I could be wrong and would sincerely appreciate a reference to law or BATFE interpretation thereof supporting your view.

FWIW, nowhere does my Form 4 use the work "kit" and nowhere specified is the actual part numbered so how does ATF "know" which part is "special"???

[3154tm]

crossedcannons,
that's my understanding as well. as far as the carbines go, a receiver that's stamped or over stamped M2 is a machine gun; a receiver or any other part that's registered is a machine gun; and if all 7 of the sacred parts, whether any of them are registered or not, are together in the same place at the same time ATF considers that a machine gun. but anything besides the actual registered part can be replaced.
i've been told and read that these guns were never built for full auto and i shouldn't try and put 1000's of rounds through them like i do with my mac's. that's why i've been looking for a registered trigger "kit". also, i don't want to be the guy that destroyed or wore out a rare M2 just to have fun playing with it on full auto. am i worried about something i shouldn't be?
thanks,
frank