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    Looking to complete your No4 or L42 CES? (by Peter Laidler) (click here)


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    By now, most of you will know that the CES, the Complete Equipment Schedule, of your No4T or L42 sniper consisted of a bit more than that of the rifle in the chest. You’re right…., the RIFLE CES was as per the box but the SNIPER CES consisted of two other parts. The first was the SUPPLEMENTARY ISSUE and this consisted of three additional items of kit. …... article continues in link shown above .....


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    Someone asked me what we refinished these optical instruments with. At the unit, it was officially with a special paint called 'PAINT, brushing, instruments, air drying-gloss (or matt) black'. Don't ask me what made it special as I haven't got a clue. But truthfully it was sheer crap and would wear off while you were looking at it. So the instrument teccies used normal sunkorite. The problem there was that the spirit based sunkorite would pickle the instrument gloss!

    Anyway, sanity prevailed at the larger |Field and Base workshops because there they degreased the stuff, mottled the brass and steel with the fine bead blaster and hot painted it with oven bake sunkorite

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    Another good question asked by someone - and I couldn't think of or didn't know the answer. So I asked a man who does! The question was this. Why bother to mark the binoculars with the red X if there is no graticle plate fitted (the glass plate on which the graticle pattern is marked). Clearly, if it's NOT there, you'd immediately see that it's not there, so you don't need a small rex X mark to tell you. Good question.

    The answer I have been told is that the red X tells the Instrument teccies and Armourers that the whole plate HAS indeed been removed. Otherwise it could be that the glass plate has simply been dislodged (which they can easily do) and is stuck or rolling around unnoticed somewhere within the ocular or erecting system of the binoculars

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    Er... at the risk of sounding daft, I have a small quantity of Britishicon military string/cord from a consignment of 1941-dated gas mask bags. It is similar (or the same?) as the stout string used to secure the wooden chocks in the transit chest for No 4(T)s. If anyone is lacking a length of WW2 string to use for their No 4 (T) transit chest, they can PM me. If they send me a stamped addressed envelope, I'll be glad to send them a bit, until it runs out...

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    Was the AVIMO L1A1 not also used with the L42? This one is dated 1979.

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    Avimos........ Also referred to as L-11's or L-12's. They were another general issue binocular but not sure whether they were ever issued as part of the supplementary issue for the L42 CES because they were a) very bulky, b) difficult to collimate and c) fixed focus - which most of the Army definately weren't!

    They were also notorious for slipping out of collimation due to ....... anyway. We seem to have stopped using them in the early 2000's and the old No2's just seemed to plod on....., and on......., and on. Very recently some cheap rubber cased commercial binos have been brought in. We'll see. But, as your wives will tell you again and again. It's just like shopping at Marks and Spencer. You get what you pay for.

    Interesting strap Terry. Ours were thin but tough nylon plastic covered stuff with a pair of glass filters attached to the strap. The filters were ground optical glass and megga expensive too at £70 a set - and that's just the sun filters!

    BDLicon asked why we had two sorts, the L-11 and the L-12A1 types. The L-11's didn't have the graticle arramgement while the L-12's did. And yes, this is the same AVIMO that made the SUIT and SUSAT sights. Similar optical arrangement and while we're on the subject, you can see the similarity between these AVIMO prismatic binos and the prismatic SUIT/SUSAT telescopic sights.

    Are yours South African issue Terrylee? I notice on that auction site that some of these Avimos are being auctioned off from Lithuania (- or is it Latvia). Interesting, because their Army were a large one-batch buyer too. Avimo ( I seem to recall that they're now based down in Somerset way....) will readily sell you parts for these binos should you need them. The rubber armoured covers are always split and torn.

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    Capt. Laidlericon, Many thanks for your informative response. The AVIMO in question (L11A1) bears Britishicon military markings and was imported from the U.K. So far as I'm aware, AVIMOS were never issued in South Africa. Most of the postwar U.D.F. binoculars in my collection are West Germanicon Oigees.

    However, I do have a pair of South African marked binoculars which would seem to be the Canadian equivalent of the No.2 Mk.II. This is a 6X30 manufactured by Research Enterprises Ltd. in Canadaicon under contract to Great Britain (C.G.B.) during the Second World War and provided with a webbing case (G.A.). Significantly mine bears both the British broad arrow and the typical crudely engraved South African disposal mark. The 1940 webbing case in which I I bought it was manufactured by Z.L.& T. Ltd., is dated 1940 and bears the Canadian broad arrow C.

    Under test this pair of binoculars appears to be at least on a par optically with my Kershaw No.2, but it is certainly not so well or robustly made. However, I cannot but help wondering whether these 6X30 R.E.Ltd. binoculars were ever issued to the Canadian snipers along with their No.4 (T) Rifles?

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    This pair has been living in an L42a1 Transit chest for some time:



    Seems to be stable, but then you've no bino case nor room for the Scout Regiment scope kit.

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    We used to see REL's in use in the 60's and last saw a pair at an MoD research centre in the 80's where they weree still being used, but old and tatty! I also saw a pair of US type made by Lomb and Bausch(?) where collimation was achieved by adjusting the prisms........ Phew, what a job!

    I seem to recall somewhere that the CGB prefix was nothing to do with 'contract great britain'. Just someones guess-work!. The GB part of the number is the Canadianicon equivalent of the UKicon V5 VAOS category, such as your V5/OS 108 MA. The MA incidentally indicates that the item is in itself a Major (or master) Assembly and usually serially numbered.

    Have I digressed enough yet...........? If so and it's crap info, just ignore it!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Laidlericon View Post
    I also saw a pair of US type made by Lomb and Bausch(?) where collimation was achieved by adjusting the prisms........ Phew, what a job!

    Its a case of needing two pairs of hands, bit like setting up a Mk1 No32 scope, one of the first pairs I had to re cement the objective lens, but out of all the different makes I,ve had, the Ross pair (see pics) have to win for quality, lens, overall picture etc, pics below B&L, Ross and a few others in the collection, all from ebay, type in the correct words in the search and a good quality pair of binoculars can be had for peanuts, broken ones (or supposed broken) are even cheaper.





    The Ross in with a 1916 case,









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