Saginaw M1 carbine

[imarangemaster]

Thanks! Nice Carbine!

[Mikesm44]

You are all very welcome. Hopefully I can get a better video and range report sometime in the future. Kind of difficult to do all by myself.

[kar66]

I don't think the SG is a DCM Carbine. More likely a WW11 bring back. I have 3 DCM carbines and they are all rebuilt carbines. The DCM Carbines all came out of government storage and the government didn't store any rifles W/O the latest updated parts. If that was a DCM Carbine somebody has somewhat restored it. That has happened a lot in the last few years. Two of my 3 came from a 70s era collector when parts were plentiful and cheap. He had restored both his and his brothers carbines.

[Mikesm44]

The guy I bought it from certainly didn't do anything to or with this rifle. He said he had it for at least 30 years so it would have had to been done before him if is restored. I wouldn't be able to guess at all where it was at that time.

[INLAND44]

Don't touch the gas piston with any tools. Soak bore cleaner or penetrant around it and try to move it out with a magnet. Chances are it'll shoot loose anyway. Avoid removing the piston nut if possible - they often get cross-threaded and crack the gas block which is not repairable.

[painter777]

Wouldn't the NRA carbines have been upgraded?

Picture examples of NRA shipping info from Port Clinton:






Upgraded Inland that was shipped;




Hello MikeM4,
Are there any markings on your flip site?
Curious as to any slingwell markings on your stock.

Cheers,
Charlie-Painter777

[Mikesm44]

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Hello MikeM4,
Are there any markings on your flip site?
Curious as to any slingwell markings on your stock.

[painter777]

Thx Mike,
I had written down Trimble, as that was my guess to the stock maker, after seeing the gap at the rear of your recoilplate.
Trimble Nursery stocks were often found with a number code also stamped in the slingwell.

Looking under the bottom rail of your handguard should reveal it's maker. Most TN and RSG marked HG's I've run across have the marking under the rightside edge. These are very small markings ~1/16"+

Are there any letters on the right side of your flip site's base? A few friends have SG's in this range with original flips that have just the S.
Can you make out how many weld spots are on top of your barrel band?
Is there a rounded groove behind your front site blade?

Look very closely for a boxed SG and Crossed cannons stamp on the right rear side of your stock.
They can be very hard to see as many were often very lightly struck. With age many may just appear as a knot.
These Type II oval cut oiler slots with the hi-wood on the right rail are very pricey.
I'm rusty, but don't recall the NRA/DCM carbines having push safeties and narrow (Type I) barrel bands or flip sites. But others can help more about these than I.
Next time you tear it down to clean, take the time to document all the markings and Type Numbers of your parts.
Own any books yet?
There are no dumb questions, ask if needed. Be glad to help.
I'm trying to be friendlier to Texans as my Naval daughter just married a East Texan

Cheers,
Charlie-Painter777

P.S. Print off a Carbine Club Data sheet from the sticky link above the carbine forum page. Big help learning how to research your parts and how they were tweaked as the years went by.




Below is a example of the SG/CC stamp I refer to and TRIMBLE TN slingwell markings with numbers.

[DaveHH]

Especially late production Inlands and Winchesters. They went onto the racks as is since the round bolt and type 2-3 rear sights were in place. Why tear apart a brand new carbine for the bayonet lug and flip safety? There were many "rules" overlooked on these brand new units. The Rebuild TM said that all obscured serial numbers were to be duplicated yet very few are that way. The TM said that all used carbines were to be counterbored at the muzzle yet very few are.

[Mikesm44]

@painter777 Thanks for all that info. The only book I have on carbines is "US M1 Carbines Wartime Production". I'm in college so there isn't much "free" reading time.

There are no other marks on the flip sights. I took some pictures of the other things you asked about. I didn't know exactly what you meant about the groove on the front sights, so I hope the picture answers that. The barrel band seems to have 3 wield spots. There is another "TN" on the hand guard. I could not find any other stock markings but I saw a knot so I photographed it to see if you see something.


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