Long Branch No.4 T up for auction

[CODFan]

On Gunbroker ....

Longbranch Enfield No4 MK1* T sniper rifle : Curios & Relics at GunBroker.com


Other than being non-matching, I think the base rifle is a little off. Barrel markings? Incorrect trigger guard?

Must say the price is getting up there. The seller is upfront about the condition of the scope. Peter is referenced.

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[Lee Enfield]

You think the "rifle is a little off?"

Are you bidding on it? Or you must have different pictures if you are referencing barrel markings and trigger guard "issues"?

The owner (previous owner maybe?) is a member here so maybe you could ask him?

Are you up to play a little game? There is one thing that leaps out to me, but I doubt you've noticed it.

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I am sure the reason for the game will be come apparent with the transference of knowledge to the forum by Lee Enfield so we may all learn about what to look for and the knowledge as always is well received.

[Lee Enfield]

Its a mismatched sniper rather than a bits together piece.

[CODFan]

Are you bidding on it?

No. Have not and will not be. Already have one.

you must have different pictures.

No. Just looing at the stock pictures on the site.

There is one thing that leaps out to me, but I doubt you've noticed it.

You are probably right. Perhaps you can share at some point. Looking to expand my knowledge and your help would be apprectiated. (by more then just myself)

Its a mismatched sniper rather than a bits together piece.

That is what I beleive, but there is still a piece missing from the trigger guard and the barrel import markings do not match the samples I have seen.

Edit:

Thought I would be a bit more clear .... should it have the "hook" that acts as a stopper for the "Front Screw Guard Sling Swivel"?

Should the barrel be stamped "2.22 .... 18.5 Tons"? or is it different as it did not make it to England (do not see "England" proof stamp on receiver)

It does have the maltese cross on several parts and Savage rear sight. C-broad arrow on front scope pad. Should the Rifle Serial # not also be stamped into the wood?


Thanks

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As usual I will again be torched but I really do not give a R's Rissole I this web site was for all to learn from those that know and have the experience to pass on gained knowledge to those of us me included that do not know because we led a sheltered childhood.
It is not seeing who can do it into the wind furthest but sharing your gained knowledge so we can pass it onto those that follow us as I do have a 14 y/o boy who is very keen to learn to shoot and look after my meagre 303 stable (he has already shot the one of my No.4's and loved it)

So at the risk of being type caste as a rebel rouser and in general a person who creates and instils havoc lets do the site a justice and be helpful to each other and not try to outdo each other with the grey matter.

As I am sure the founders would be a tad dismayed at turning the place into a competition of knowledge if I am wrong in my summation fine go right ahead and tear strips off me that's K as if your doing it to me then you are leaving someone else alone.

To the founding fathers of this site well done and keep the flame going

Post script edit addition - Thanks Badger for pulling the sanity line into focus.

[Badger]

Sometimes expressing the written word on the Internet doesn't translate well, as compared to what the same folks would say verbally face-to-face.

If we could please get back to the point of the thread and worry less about pi$$ing on each other's fire hydrants, I would appreciate it...

I'm not an Enfield expert, but here's an Advisory Panel certified example of what an correct example should look like.

1945 Enfield No.4 Mk1*(T) Long Branch Sniper Rifle.

Just my layman's quick look comparison to the MKL example, indicates to me that none of the major components match. The scope (227-C), the scope bracket (90L8212), the butt wrist top (78-C) and the rifle (90L8115) itself, all have different serial numbers.

That would indicate to me that this rifle has been assembled from various different components.

Just my two cents ..

Regards,
Doug

[Lee Enfield]

No. Have not and will not be. Already have one.
I have several, so does Badger and several other members of this site. Already having one doesn't stop you purchasing it for a friend, or another one for yourself

No. Just looing at the stock pictures on the site.


You are probably right. Perhaps you can share at some point. Looking to expand my knowledge and your help would be apprectiated. (by more then just myself)



That is what I beleive, but there is still a piece missing from the trigger guard and the barrel import markings do not match the samples I have seen.

Edit:

Thought I would be a bit more clear .... should it have the "hook" that acts as a stopper for the "Front Screw Guard Sling Swivel"?

The action cover loop has been established to be fairly commonly lost in service on L42s, why would we expect a well used No4T must always have it?

Should the barrel be stamped "2.22 .... 18.5 Tons"? or is it different as it did not make it to England (do not see "England" proof stamp on receiver)

Why would a gun which is import marked by Century Arms International (CAI) as being imported from Canada show ANY British proof markings...unless it was re-imported to Canada before being re-exported to the USA?

Also if you've never seen a No4 rifle with British commercial proof marks on the knoxform under the rear handguard then I don't think you've seen very many

It does have the maltese cross on several parts and Savage rear sight. C-broad arrow on front scope pad. Should the Rifle Serial # not also be stamped into the wood?

I've NEVER seen an original production 1944 or 1945 dated Long Branch sniper with the rifle serial number stamped onto the fore-end at the factory....that's what the Maltese Cross was for. I have seen LB "T" fore-ends and hand-guards pencil marked on the INSIDE with all or part of the serial number; and I have seen a number of Long Branch snipers which have been "corrected" by having serial numbers (and other markings) added. Commonly as well, rifles which had fore-ends replaced in British service were then numbered to the gun.

Thanks

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I am sure the reason for the game will be come apparent with the transference of knowledge to the forum by Lee Enfield so we may all learn about what to look for and the knowledge as always is well received.

I apologise if my comments were a little short perhaps, recently I've noticed a irritating issue with this (and several other forums), members posting negative comments regarding sale items, which I've come to believe may be a tactic to reduce price, and other bidders.
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As usual I will again be torched but I really do not give a R's Rissole I thought Badger and Co created this web for all to learn from those that know and have the experience to pass on gained knowledge to those of us me included that do not know because we led a sheltered childhood.
It is not seeing who can do it into the wind furthest but sharing your gained knowledge so we can pass it onto those that follow us as I do have a 14 y/o boy who is very keen to learn to shoot and look after my meagre 303 stable (he has already shot the one of my No.4's and loved it)

So at the risk of being type caste as a rebel rouser and in general a person who creates and instils havoc lets do the site a justice and be helpful to each other and not try to outdo each other with the grey matter.

As I am sure Jim would be a tad dismayed at turning the place into a competition of knowledge if I am wrong in my summation fine go right ahead and tear strips off me that's K as if your doing it to me then you are leaving someone else alone.

To Jim and the founding fathers to this site well done and keep the flame going

The single issue (regarding the rifle) which leaps out to me is that the cheek piece appears to be off of an earlier Long Branch sniper - I've never noted this Long Branch pattern on a 90L previously.

The other obvious issue is the use of a (converted??) Bren Chest....

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Some people do not have scruples and do rely on the uninformed to gain the extra dollar from them thankfully the place has this web site so a person can ask the questions and be put on the straight and narrow without losing hard earned cash from a right but not quite right purchase.

And I am quite sure shill bidding goes on with flea bay to get what the seller wants dam hard to prove though........

[Cantom]

I have the sad duty to inform the forum that this rifle previously belonged to Milsurps.com member Arado. He passed away suddenly and his firearms are being liquidated on Gunbroker.