Is this a Patchett sling?

[Lee Enfield]

By far the best set of pictures currently available on the internet of a C1 SMG

Canadian Military Police Virtual Museum

SUB-MACHINE GUN, 9MM,C1

[Peter Laidler]

Thanks for those photos Jim and others. It'd be a VERY easy gun to replicate/fabricate wouldn't it? Anyone out there in forumland fancy a go at one? The UK MoD trialled the use of the fabricated end/return spring cap because the cast/machined cap was an expensive part but there were some commercial licensing hurdles and according to David H again, the UK Government didn't want to get their bottoms kicked again. The Govt did 'pirate' the ret sprg caps at Enfield in the mid 60's but ceased after the litlgation.

I have to say and I'm sure Tankie will agree, that the C1 finger guards were FAR easier to repair than ours ever were

[Vincent]

I noticed that these clips were also used on the Vickers Berthier sling so it's possible that this sling maybe off something like else like a bag or load carry device.

That sounds possible. How long is it?


Great pictures, Lee and Jim. Thank you.




It’s very interesting to see those close-ups of the C1 after reading Peter’s excellent description in the GoD book.

The bottom picture shows the barrel positioning stud (page 195/196, #17 Stud, barrel positioning). What exactly does it do?

It'd be a VERY easy gun to replicate/fabricate wouldn't it? Anyone out there in forumland fancy a go at one?

It’s on my list, Peter. Problem is finding the parts. So far I’ve only been able to get my mits on a couple of magazines, endcap, butt and a few other parts. The trigger en bloc is beyond my ability to fabricate and I am not sure about the magazine well. I’d also like to get a good look at the front sight.

[Lee Enfield]

That sounds possible. How long is it?


Great pictures, Lee and Jim. Thank you.


https://www.milsurps.com/images/impo...8/c1smg1-1.jpg

It’s very interesting to see those close-ups of the C1 after reading Peter’s excellent description in the GoD book.

The bottom picture shows the barrel positioning stud (page 195/196, #17 Stud, barrel positioning). What exactly does it do?



It’s on my list, Peter. Problem is finding the parts. So far I’ve only been able to get my mits on a couple of magazines, endcap, butt and a few other parts. The trigger en bloc is beyond my ability to fabricate and I am not sure about the magazine well. I’d also like to get a good look at the front sight.

I believe the term is superfluous

[Peter Laidler]

Ah, that stud positioning barrel........ Because the C1 disn't have the same nose cap as the L2 gun, it didn't incorporate the one-way fit facility for the barrel so you could put the barrel in upside down. But because it used a UK made barrel (a condition of the free licensing agreement/parts don't forget) it could mean that the extractor slot was 180 degrees out! So the positioning stud was there to ensure that it would ensure that the flat on the barrel was facing downwards and clear the stud.

We had a box of trials parts at work. Mention it to me if you start your project.

It was this licensing agreement that ensured that you very rarely see one out of captivity. Strange, but true. We (Warminster) asked for one on a Military to Military basis but even we had to go through hoops and hoops with Royal Ord and then BAe who were the license holders of the original this that and the other and when/if we got it, it was STILL on the understanding that it belonged to the Canadian DofD! How mad is that.........? What a palava. We even had one set aside and an SA80 to go over to Borden. I just didn't pursue it in the end............ The one we had for the trials went to the PRoom and guess what......... STILL - on paper - belongs to the Canadian DofD!

[browningautorifle]

That's correct, the barrel was round at the back except for a flat spot. The front had a T shape with the holes for the Allen head screws. It never occurred to me to insert a barrel up side down...but so be it.

[Peter Laidler]

It wouldn't occur to me either Jim, but you have to cater for the crunchie or weapon training staff who has found himself to be the proud owner of a set of allen keys on his leatherman knife that he got for Christmas. Now he's just GOT to find something to do with them. So he sees a Sterling gun and some needy allen bolts so guess what he does............. And if he can put it back together the wrong way, guess what else he does............

Have a good rest of the day!

[Vincent]

Well, that’s interesting. The barrel support will not be hard to make then.

[browningautorifle]

cater for the crunchie or weapon training staff

Or as was overheard once, "Oh look, a screw!"..."Well, that has to come out!"

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The barrel support will not be hard to make then

Also true, you could just collar each end of a plain barrel...for starters.

[tankhunter]

I would LOVE to have a C1 in the collection! I have never seen one in the flesh, so to speak!

The nearest thing to one of these over here (& the rest of the World, I believe) is a Japanese Replica. These were marketed as inert non firers.
But they also did a plug cap firing version from the same model. Which cycled & functioned. Just like the real steel version.

This has been reserected recently, using the same machinery & dies. For an Airsoft Electric variant. That uses 6mm Plastic BB's as projectiles.

I have an inert replica as a 'space filler'. Until the unlikely possibility of a real one comes along!...............

There are some small inaccuracies on the Replica version. But hey, it's better than an empty space on the wall!....

I have a Canadian sling for Mine. & am seeking a genuine Canadian Magazine. If anyone can help at all?

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Thanks for those photos Jim and others. It'd be a VERY easy gun to replicate/fabricate wouldn't it? Anyone out there in forumland fancy a go at one? The UK MoD trialled the use of the fabricated end/return spring cap because the cast/machined cap was an expensive part but there were some commercial licensing hurdles and according to David H again, the UK Government didn't want to get their bottoms kicked again. The Govt did 'pirate' the ret sprg caps at Enfield in the mid 60's but ceased after the litlgation.

I have to say and I'm sure Tankie will agree, that the C1 finger guards were FAR easier to repair than ours ever were

Yes Pete, they are spot wended to the receiver on the C1. On the British Sterling, ALL receiver 'attached' body parts were induction brazed to the main tube/body housing. If you tried to re-attach a finger guard or a cracked magazine housing for example. When you heated that area up with a flame. Other 'bit's just fell off! It was an absolute NIGHTMARE to do anything re-attaching wise to the main receiver tube!.....Im SURE you have been there!........