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I'm suprised that Canada
presumably had these telescope/rifles in their order of battle as late as '53 judging from the EMER date although C-500 is just the data summary. It's be interesting to see what othewr info the EMER held regarding these rifles. Most of the rifle stuff is pretty much the same as the No4 but zeroing will differ. The Telescope info will be under the I&S EMER (EMER I&S V500-509).
It would seem almost alien for there not to be spare/replacement telescopes within the Ordnance system. What a needless waste to send a rifle and second telescope (4430-S) to the UK if in doing to, you had to take it off a rifle!
I have never been able to trace a supply of - or even ONE - of the 'No12 sewing needle' said to have been used as the graticle in the Lymnans. This is in spite of having enquired afar as to such specialists as make military/pagentry/masonic regalia. All to no avail or even knowledge of such a size.
The leather eye caps for these telescopes makes them almost impossible to fit into the modified No8/18 case. While we're here....... Anyone have any idea whatsoever what the little square leather block on the strap is for? This little leather block is on both eye cap straps. The block is square, the same width and thickness as the actual strap and sewn on and sited JUST slightly to the rear of the centre line of the turret caps. I suppose it COULD be to protect the turret caps - but I doubt it!
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11-21-2014 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by
Lee Enfield
Yes it looks like scope and bracket 74L0209 which was pictured in the EME manual has become detached from its rifle.
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Re thread 22. Scope on bracket 0209 detached or lost from the rifle! How do you arrive at this? Has it turned up somewhere? Have I missed something in the telling?
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Nice rifle, I specially appreciate the exposure on the Canadian cheek rest. Nice educational piece.
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Was this pattern of cheek piece a post WW2 variation, & is it an 'official' design? Have owned LB 4T's with three different slight variants of cheek piece, but all not too dissimilar to the UK pattern. This one is vastly different.
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I'm suprised that
Canada presumably had these telescope/rifles in their order of battle as late as '53 judging from the EMER date although C-500 is just the data summary. It's be interesting to see what othewr info the EMER held regarding these rifles. Most of the rifle stuff is pretty much the same as the No4 but zeroing will differ. The Telescope info will be under the I&S EMER (EMER I&S V500-509).
It would seem almost alien for there not to be spare/replacement telescopes within the Ordnance system. What a needless waste to send a rifle and second telescope (4430-S) to the
UK if in doing to, you had to take it off a rifle!
I have never been able to trace a supply of - or even ONE - of the 'No12 sewing needle' said to have been used as the graticle in the Lymnans. This is in spite of having enquired afar as to such specialists as make military/pagentry/masonic regalia. All to no avail or even knowledge of such a size.
The leather eye caps for these telescopes makes them almost impossible to fit into the modified No8/18 case. While we're here....... Anyone have any idea whatsoever what the little square leather block on the strap is for? This little leather block is on both eye cap straps. The block is square, the same width and thickness as the actual strap and sewn on and sited JUST slightly to the rear of the centre line of the turret caps. I suppose it COULD be to protect the turret caps - but I doubt it!
Not so surprising when you consider that the same scope on the Garand was also in Canadian, and of course American use, as Colin mentioned in some detail earlier. According to "Without Warning" trials were underway by 1955 for a scope to fit the FNC1. Incidentally there is mention of a scope made by "B.O.P." which was Beaconing Optical Products Ltd., a company in Quebec IIRC and a "UK 3x Type 1956" scope being included in these trials; anyone know what that was?
There's mention of No.12 needles here: http://w w w.sewingpartsonline.com/gold-eye-quilting-needles-no-12-15pk.aspx
Without seeing a photo of the leather blocks, my guess would be that when the jaws or clamps in the modified No.8 case were closed the blocks were intended to sit on the inside edges of the jaws and (hopefully) prevent the scope from sliding in the jaws and striking one end against the inside of the case.
The need to remove the base to refit the barrel is a definite negative, though whether these rifles were ever intended for that kind of longer term service I don't know. Possibly not given that they were a wartime purchase only due to the shortage of No32s. The C67 was the post-war standard in the Canadian Army says "Without Warning".
Optically I don't think they're any worse than a No32 MkI or II. I doubt the sealing in the No32 MkI or II was any better either, look at the way water would pool on top of the range drum and no doubt soak down past the lead screw and its locking ring. Tests and trials have a way of producing the desired results it seems.
When Canada was looking to replace the FNC1 with ELCAN C1 scope, the L42 came last out of the four rifles trialed - although since the winner was the Parker Hale 1200TX, it certainly wasn't anti-British sentiment or "Not Invented Here" syndrome behind that result!
Lens size isn't everything - try a No32 against a Zeiss Zeilklein! The lack of external drums on the Lyman is its greatest defect, but again, wartime expedient purchase that hung around afterwards, like so many other pieces of kit.
If Lyman or others had been thinking, they might have recalled the etched glass reticule of the Warner & Swasey M.1913 scope and the three range finding stadia lines engraved thereon! It wouldn't have been too hard to produce a reticule like the Japanese Arisaka sniper rifles had and dispense with drums and all their problems entirely. They could have even illuminated it with some radium if they'd really put their minds to it!
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I'm suprised that
Canada presumably had these telescope/rifles in their order of battle as late as '53 judging from the EMER date although C-500 is just the data summary. It's be interesting to see what othewr info the EMER held regarding these rifles. Most of the rifle stuff is pretty much the same as the No4 but zeroing will differ. The Telescope info will be under the I&S EMER (EMER I&S V500-509).
It would seem almost alien for there not to be spare/replacement telescopes within the Ordnance system. What a needless waste to send a rifle and second telescope (4430-S) to the
UK if in doing to, you had to take it off a rifle!
I have never been able to trace a supply of - or even ONE - of the 'No12 sewing needle' said to have been used as the graticle in the Lymnans. This is in spite of having enquired afar as to such specialists as make military/pagentry/masonic regalia. All to no avail or even knowledge of such a size.
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(EMER) CFTO C-71-111-000/MM-00 dated 1991-6-28 has zeroing instructions for the "C No32 TP" telescope, and the "No 32 Mk 1" telescope.
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