Is a Grenade launcher a Section 1 Firearm Component ?

[Alan de Enfield]

[QUOTE=boristhepig;342247]Hi
This thread was originally first posted in January 2015 since then an updated Guide on Firearms Licensing Law was published in March 2015, I have just been looking through it, and I don’t know if clause xii) was included in the 2014 guide? But it would seem to me that this clause would now make the 2.5in discharger cup a section 5 item?

vi) any rocket launcher, or any mortar, for projecting a stabilised missile, QUOTE]

My counter to that would be :

a) A grenade is not a "stabilised missile"
b) The 'bit of bent metal' is not a 'launcher' & is not launching anything - the rifle (via a blank cartridge) is doing the launching.

[Peter Laidler]

The trouble with the idea of a list of this that and the other is that it is never up to date. And another that everone should be wary of is that such a list goes against the grain of anyone who believes in democracy. That a democracy tells you what you CANNOT do. An autocracy tells you what you CAN do.

In respect to TBox's (ooooops, sorry TBox, I meant AdeE) idea in thread21, that's all very well, but a Judge making his observations in a case where something is ambiguous or unclear, can always make HIS decision the final one as we saw in the ridiculous decision of having to have a dealers cert for every County in which you deal........ Discussed on this forum recently.

[bigduke6]

For the unwary and/or one with a collection of such items that can be attached to the end of a firearm, then I can only suggest keep all items of this nature out of eyes way, a prime example is a security visit on renewal etc, presenting the said firearm with all bells and whistles attached as in Alan's post #15 then it would raise an eyebrow or two, a cabinet with the FAC holders firearms only, would just be as normal check.

Never present the item either.... " err what do think of this ? is it section 5 "? remember KISS and if you are on the edge of the seat then email or phone the constabulary that you are under and enquire with the impression you intend to purchase ...... and see what they come back with.

[Peter Laidler]

My sisters advice to me this very afternoon was '...... least said, soonest mended' and the what the eye doesn't see, the heart - or in this case the constabulary - won't fret over. More about her advice/what she said later

[boristhepig]

Hi
My constabulary are currently unwilling to give a decision on a discharger cup, they are seeking further advise/clarification ! But as there doesn't seem to be an official decision on this item ? I don't feel that any further headway will be made in resolving this question.
Terry


I did notice this item on ebay, even less sure of its legal status

Enfield SMLE Attachment | eBay

[Beerhunter]

Wrong in one aspect of course. It's not for an SMLE but rather for a No.4.

[Peter Laidler]

Mmmmmmm. That, in my humble opinion is, by definition, a Launcher, Grenade. No if's or buts, it LAUNCHES a stabilised GRENADE.

Fancy even asking for an opinion! Remember the words of my sister, a Barrister....... Least said, soonest mended and what the eye doesn't see, the cops ain't going to fret over........ The only opinion that REALLY matters is that of the Judge

[boristhepig]

I know “It’s better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission.” I asked for an opinion more as an academic question for future help or reference.

Need to bear in mind you could be begging not to do a five year jail term in the unlikely advent of going to Court. And if found not guilty, would still have had the months of stress waiting for your case, along with the seizure of anything else in your home that took the police officers fancy, and the months of then trying to get it all back.

Some times "Discretion is the better part of valour," but its the individuals choice

[Alan de Enfield]

Well - this 'launcher' sold as a buy-it-now for £325

ww1 lee enfield no1 mk3 cup display,cup dated 3.18 | eBay

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[Roger Payne]

I have several 'rifle grenade projection facilitating devices' but due to the indecision as to their status in the UK they reside in foreign parts, where their presence doesn't bother the authorities. It means I can only physically handle them three months out of twelve, but also that I do not have to run the risk of a five year stretch.