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    You said "same as a machine gun"................it's not the same as a machine gun.

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    They are legal to own. They are NFA items. That means you register them and buy a tax stamp. Same as a machinegun, suppressor or DD.
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    You said "same as a machine gun"................it's not the same as a machine gun.
    Ok. Show me where requirementment to register and buy a tax stam is different.

    The types of firearms that must be registered in the National Firearm Registration and Transfer Record are defined in the NFA and 27 CFR, Part 479. What are some examples? | Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

    The types of firearms that must be registered in the National Firearm Registration and Transfer Record are defined in the NFA and 27 CFR, Part 479. What are some examples?

    Some examples of the types of firearms that must be registered are:

    •Machine guns;

    •The frames or receivers of machine guns;
    •Any combination of parts designed and intended for use in converting weapons into machine guns;
    •Any part designed and intended solely and exclusively for converting a weapon into a machine gun;
    •Any combination of parts from which a machine gun can be assembled if the parts are in the possession or under the control of a person;
    •Silencers and any part designed and intended for fabricating a silencer;

    •Short-barreled rifles;

    •Short-barreled shotguns;

    •Destructive devices; and,
    •“Any other weapon.”
    A few examples of destructive devices are:
    •Molotov cocktails;
    •Anti-tank guns (over caliber .50);
    •Bazookas; and,
    •Mortars.
    A few examples of “any other weapon” are:
    •H&R Handyguns;
    •Ithaca Auto-Burglar guns;
    •Cane guns; and,
    •Gadget-type firearms and “pen” guns which fire a projectile by the action of an explosive.
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    c. Firearm. The term “firearm” means: (1) a shotgun having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length; (2) a weapon made from a shotgun if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length; (3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length; (4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length; (5) any other weapon as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 5845(e); (6) a machinegun; (7) a muffler or silencer for any firearm whether or not such firearm is included within this definition; and (8) a destructive device.
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    Quote Originally Posted by m1903rifle View Post
    Some one must have told evad that this combo was illegal due to the short barrels.
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    OK......You take a M2 30 caliber Carbine that you "found" in you father's closet in to the ATF office and try to register it. Let me know what happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m1903rifle View Post
    OK......You take a M2 30 caliber Carbine that you "found" in you father's closet in to the ATF office and try to register it. Let me know what happens.
    If the reciever is marked M2 , then it is unregisterable . Strip it and turn the reciever and FA parts over to them and have them do a record check . If it is regestered to your father , it will be transfered to the heir if they meet the conditions on a tax free form 5 . If not , it's gone .
    If a converted M1icon , pull the M2 parts out and turn them over and have them do a record check . If it comes back registered , either as a gun or kit , same as above .
    Either way you'll have a m1 parts kit or an m1 rifle out of it .
    In the shotgun above , the barrels make it a SBS . You can still register these . Give the barrels to someone to hold , register it , assemble back when approval recieved . Works IF noone knows . Opps ...too late now .
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    OP was last here 19th June...I don't think he cares any more...
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    Quote Originally Posted by emmagee1917 View Post
    If the reciever is marked M2 , then it is unregisterable . Strip it and turn the reciever and FA parts over to them and have them do a record check . If it is regestered to your father , it will be transfered to the heir if they meet the conditions on a tax free form 5 . If not , it's gone .
    If a converted M1icon , pull the M2 parts out and turn them over and have them do a record check . If it comes back registered , either as a gun or kit , same as above .
    Either way you'll have a m1 parts kit or an m1 rifle out of it .
    In the shotgun above , the barrels make it a SBS . You can still register these . Give the barrels to someone to hold , register it , assemble back when approval recieved . Works IF noone knows . Opps ...too late now .
    Chris
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    Quote Originally Posted by browningautorifleicon View Post
    OP was last here 19th June...I don't think he cares any more...
    Would you care if you got a reception like that? I would walk away too shaking my head just like I do at the gun shows when I see people act like that.

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    But he got only one answer on the 4th of June and then the next was the 1st of July...he didn't even see the second answer. I think he was PM'd and then ran.
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    I think trying to register an original M6 with NFA would be dicey to say the least. They'd send someone to pick it up unless it had a registration that was lost and then found in the database. It would be considered contraband if it hadn't been registered during the amnesty. You can register a NEW production SBR or AOW but not one that's been in existence for 40-50 years but I could be wrong. I saw an H&R M4 survival rifle in .22 Hornet that was purchased off a gun show table many years ago with no paperwork. Big no-no but folks seem to think that since they aren't MG's that there's no restriction on them.

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