correct sling for a holland e holland n. 4 sniper rifle

[andy_ita]

hi guys
Andy in italy here
i found a good and genuine enfield n.4 sniper, holland e holland conversion. the rifle have his correct scope and Mount, all the serial numbers match.

im looking for a correct sling. i know it is a m1907, but what about markings?
i found a bt&t co. 12 marked sling, without broad harrow.

so, may this sling be correct? or i need to find a m1907 sling with the broad harrow stamp?
thanks
andy

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[rayg]

Nice! All matching rifles with matching scope, scope case and mount are not very common and especially still having it's matching numbered magazine. Are there any numbers on the chest?
A good number of the slings on the T's that I've seen were just the standard issue WWI 1907 slings having no broad arrow just the US contractors/makers names and most having date stamps. I suppose to be perfect, one should have one with the broad arrow stamp to show it went through British supply/ordinance. I believe one with the Broad arrow would be quite scarce at least in the US. Ray

[vintage hunter]

That's absolutely the weirdest looking '''T'' stamping I've ever seen.

[CINDERS]

Same here! like the operator needed a bigger font to see the stamping a most strange occurrence everything else is very crisp, very nice

[Warren]

A most interesting chest!!!!!
It has many attributes of the No.7 .22 chest.
It is the first No.15 chest I have seen with the brush and jag holder plus nuts and bolts attaching the handles which are slings as were the no.7 chests.
Again, a most interesting chest...........

Added after taking a second look:
The jams are upside down cradling the rifle for display. However, if you look closely at picture #3 in the lower right hand corner you will see the cut out for the cleaning rod for the No.7 rifle chest on the jam. I suspect the chest is a No.7 chest with the wooden semi circles around the hasp lock removed. It is not possible to determine the depth of the chest from the pictures but everything says no.7 chest. Also, no scope can lock, nor rails for the scope can and cleaning kit inside on the bottom.
99- 44/100% sure the chest is a No.7 chest.....

[andy_ita]

hi Warren
if u need i can take more pics of the chest. for what i discovered by books of Skennerton and by the net it should be the chest for the .22 trainer rifle. the chest is not so deep. it can contain only the rifle, with the sling dismounted, and it doent have space for the scope box inside. the jams was upside down to hold the rifle.

Guys what about the T stamp? why so inusual?

Ray, about the sling, as i want to complete the rifle. it should be a WW1 or a WW2 m1907?


The rifle in the pic doesnt have the third sling swivel. dont know why. found a WW2 blued with same finish and replaced it

[rayg]

hi Warren

Ray, about the sling, as i want to complete the rifle. it should be a WW1 or a WW2 m1907?

Andy all I have ever seen here in the US on the T's have been WWI dated ones, probably left in England after the War. But I don't know why a WWII dated one wouldn't be ok as I'm sure a lot of those got over there then. Who knows if any of the slings on the rifles are the original one issued with it after so years anyway. No way to prove it. Maybe if it had the broad arrow you could maybe assume it was, Ray

[Robert303]

I think we will need Roger Payne or Capt Laidler to give the answer on the sling. My opinion is that either would be OK as any part of the CES would be replaced if found faulty, so a leather sling that was worn or rotted would be replaced. Capt Laidler has also said that the leather slings were liable to slip and that many snipers replaced them with webbing slings including the longer Bren gun slings. Warren, thanks for the detailed explanation re the chest. I'll be intereste to read what others have to say about the T as I have not seen enough of these rifles to be able to comment. Andy. If it shoots as well as it looks you've done well.

[Brian Dick]

Andy, The P'07 sling you found is correct. I can't remember ever seeing one with a "Broad Arrow" stamp on it. They were surplus U.S. slings left over from WW1. The Bren sling was also very popular but you'll find the leather sling much better for competition purposes once you learn how to use it.

[rayg]

I can't remember where, but not too long ago there was a "T" on one of the forums or one of the gun or F/S sites, were the rifle had an 07 sling with a Broad Arrow stamp on it. I remember thinking that was the first sling I ever saw with that stamp. I wish I could remember what site it was on, Ray