Bayonet Question.

[harry mac]

When issued to British troops with the P14, the bayonet was designated, " Pattern 1913". What was the nomenclature used for the same bayonet in US service when issued with the M1917?
Also was the scabbard issued to US troops the same as that used for the Springfield bayonet for the 1903?

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[Tom in N.J.]

The Pattern 13 bayonet in U.S. service was the Model 1917. The scabbard was the M1917 also (at least three versions). The M1905 (Springfield) bayonet could be carried in the M1917 scabbard, but the M1917 blade was too long for the M1905 scabbard.

[Aragorn243]

British bayonets will have the year of manufacture on them along with British proofs. This caused some confusion with the US bayonets as when it became 1918, they started marking the bayonets 1918. This was an error and they soon went back to 1917. US bayonets have the model, 1917, with the rarer 1918 stamped ones. Some US bayonets will have British proof marks, these also have US proofs. The 1917 was also produced much later for the Vietnam War era shotguns. These have plastic grips.

[A square 10]

the US scabbards are only different in the chape/belt hanger , the brits used the frog/button the same as the P1907 [its parent design] , i have all three early versions [onlty the brit and early two in the photo] the others not been included in an update yet - there are actually four counting the late version of the fiberglass M1917 scabbard

[Brian Dick]

I have seen and still have one P'13 bayonet that has a U.S. scabbard modified by the British or Commonwealth by grinding off the U.S. belt hooks so a normal web frog can be used.

[Tom in N.J.]

The Danes received a number of M1917 scabbards modified per Brian Dicks post above. They replaced the hanger by adding a new layer of sheet metal to the top pf the scabbard.

[mtoms]

I have seen and still have one P'13 bayonet that has a U.S. scabbard modified by the British or Commonwealth by grinding off the U.S. belt hooks so a normal web frog can be used.

The m1917 bayonet that came with my Remington m1917 is in a p14 scabbard. There is evidence of red paint on the rifle's handguard. Always will wonder if the scabbard was replaced while the rifle was in British service.

[Beerhunter]

I would be intrigued to hear how one "Proofs" a bayonet.

Or are the marks actually inspection marks? (The "bend test" mark being only one of them.)

[AFJon]

Good information at this website. parts 10, 11, and 21 have discussions about bayonets in question.

Bayonet Points

[Flying10uk]

I believe that the "X" bend test mark on the 1907 indicates the direction in which the blade was bent and, of course, this was carried out in a special jig. I forget if it was bent towards or away from the X.