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    Was the Mauser C96 a full auto pistol?

    For Christmas I got a book titled,,,
    The World's Worst Weapons,,,
    By Martin J. Dougherty.

    Personally I don't think this book is very good at all,,,
    The author simply took a variety of weapons,,,
    And wrote a short paragraph about them.

    Several things he wrote don't seem to jive with my experience,,,
    And I believe that more than a few things he stated are simply incorrect

    One thing he wrote:

    The downfall of this weapon was it's capability to fire on full automatic.
    Even the impractical 20-round magazine provided an inadequate ammunition supply,
    and the six- and ten-round version were invariably empty before the user could begin to correct his aim.
    I've handled several of these over my many years,,,
    And while I'm certainly no expert on them,,,
    I never saw one that was full auto.

    Did I miss something?

    Or is Mr. Dougherty in error?

    Aarond

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    There were variants which could shoot full auto, as mentioned the main ones had 20rd detachable box mags if I recall correctly.

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    Here you go aarondhgraham.

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    There were indeed several full-auto variants, notably the M712 Schnellfeuer (rapid-fire) model, as well as full-auto C96 copies made in Spain and China in the late 1920s and throughout the 1930s.

    The Chinese were very fond the C96 (Which was known as the "Box Cannon" in Chinese) and I'm told one of the popular tactics for employing the full-auto Broomhandle variants during the Warlord/Chinese Civil War-era was to hold it sideways (not dissimilar to what's known as "Gangsta Style" nowadays) and then pull the trigger, letting the recoil right the gun as it sprayed bullets everywhere.

    Bear in mind that the sub-machine gun was a relatively new concept at the time and there were only a couple of practical designs available - the Thompson M1928A1, the MP18 and the Suomi KP-31 were about it until pretty much right before World War II - so in that context, a full-auto Mauser Broomhandle wasn't nearly as silly or impractical as it appears to us today in hindsight.

    On an unrelated note, what's with the ",,," thing? It's not a grammatical convention I have encountered before.

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    My P08 (Luger) once went `full auto´. Am very glad I wasn´t using the TM 33 round mag, as it flipped upwards, with the damage limited to the range ceiling. According to the relevant literature, the only known example of the `full auto´ LP08 (artillery Luger) was no better, as there was nothing to limit the rate of fire. The necessary `Reihenfeuer´ spare parts for the C96 quite often appear on the Germanicon eGun site (installation would be VERY illegal), and I don´t suppose it´d be much different. I´d say: give it a miss!
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    Thank you Gentlemen,,,

    I guess Mr. Dougherty did know what he was talking about.

    Difficult to believe that in all my reading,,,
    I never came across this info before.

    Thanks again.

    Aarond

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    On an unrelated note, what's with the ",,," thing? It's not a grammatical convention I have encountered before.
    It's an old habit from the early 90's,,,
    When messages didn't have any text formatting.

    We used the three commas to show the end of a thought or phrase.

    It just stuck with me is all.

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    I happen to be the owner of a full auto capable Broomhandle. Unfortunately, it goes through a magazine of BB's in about a second. Also eats CO2 like mad. Yes it's a BB gun/C-96 replica.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aarondhgraham View Post
    It's an old habit from the early 90's,,,
    When messages didn't have any text formatting.

    We used the three commas to show the end of a thought or phrase.

    It just stuck with me is all.
    Is that a military thing? I ask because I've been around computers since the late '80s and learned to type on an actual typewriter before that and I've never come across it. Personally I find it quite jarring to read and comes across to me almost as if English isn't your first language or you're still not entirely sure how this "internet thing" works (I know that's not the case, of course! )

    Not intended to be a personal criticism, though - we've all got our little quirks and ways of doing things which don't always match up with what everyone else things is "best", but in my line of work good, clear communication is vital and I'd get pulled up on it pretty quickly if I strayed too far from the commonly accepted usage and rules of English language & grammar.

    On something closer to the original topic though, the quality of those "World's ____ Guns" books can be extremely variable in my experience. Well-meaning friends sometimes get them for me as presents and while I appreciate the thought, they're often pretty samey. I find they're good for people who are new to shooting or collecting as a jumping-off point, though - especially if they have good photos and are written by people who know what they're talking about.

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    So much for broomhandle Mauser pistols...just a bit OT...
    Regards, Jim

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    Thanks for the info Gentlemen,,,

    I'll relegate this book to the "Interesting but not absolute truth" category.

    Thanks for the replies.

    Aarond

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