a question about Myths and Truths of No.1 EY Rifles (by Peter Laidler)

[henry r]

the article https://www.milsurps.com/content.php...-Peter-Laidler) states that the wire was done with the butt removed, but after the wire is done, the fore-end is permanently fixed hence the fore-end couldn't be removed to refit the butt.

if removing the butt off a no1 mk3 with the fore-end on will damage the fore-end, how can you replace the butt without causing the same damage?

thanks.
henry.

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[Bindi2]

Cut the square off the end of the bolt so it can be screwed in without damage to the forend. Needs a spring washer put on the bolt.

[Peter Laidler]

Use a No4 stock bolt, Leave the tie plate out - but as I seem to recall, our later rifles didn't have tie plates. Please feel free to correct me.

[Roger Payne]

I think this point came up recently in another thread. The Indians produced modified forends for the SMLE later on in which the stock bolt keeper plate was dispensed with & a simple tie plate as per the No4 Mk1 forend was used. This also meant that the simplified (no squared off bit on the front end) No4 stock bolt could be employed. As mentioned above though, a Thackray type spring washer was required to tension it all.

[Sentryduty]

The Indians produced modified forends for the SMLE later on in which the stock bolt keeper plate was dispensed with & a simple tie plate as per the No4 Mk1 forend was used. This also meant that the simplified (no squared off bit on the front end) No4 stock bolt could be employed.

My "de-sporter" 1918 No1 Mk 3 project rifle employs one of these exact stock sets and bolts, I was a bit concerned that I might have damaged something during my assembly when the square stock bolt discussion came up as I could not remember observing anything of the sort. I disassembled the rifle and happily discovered I had one of the later Indian sets as you describe.

[5thBatt]

I think this point came up recently in another thread. The Indians produced modified forends for the SMLE later on in which the stock bolt keeper plate was dispensed with & a simple tie plate as per the No4 Mk1 forend was used. This also meant that the simplified (no squared off bit on the front end) No4 stock bolt could be employed. As mentioned above though, a Thackray type spring washer was required to tension it all.

The Indians did away with the keeper plate before the introduction of the tie plate & simply put a spring washer on the stockbolt, externally the forend looked the same as any British or Australian made rifle.
The forend on my 1927 Ishapore, it is numbered to the rifle but cant guarantee the forend dates to 1927 as it could have been replaced

[henry r]

thanks gentlemen. i figured there had to be some sort of modification but wasn't sure what.

was the flat stock bolt washer simply replaced with a no4 thackeray washer? (i had never heard the name before now, though i had seen them)

i love this place, not only do you get the answer but a heap more useful information at the same time.

[Peter Laidler]

Definately NO! The flat stock bolt washer must ALWAYS be used. This is what prevents the bolt or thackray washer ( also called a double coil spring washer) from churning up the wood on which it seats inside the butt

[CowboyBillWatts]

Attachment 72870

the indians went from this to the rear tie plate. so did the ishapore factory continue to have draws problems with splits and such? did this application not work at all?

[Peter Laidler]

No, they didn't go FROM that (pic in thread 9) to the squared tie plate. They went from the squared tie plate TO the No4 type shown in fin 9. I would think that they decided, in their wisdom, that the tie plate idea used on the No4 rifle fore-ends PLUS the standard No4 rifle stock bolt (without the squared-off thread) was a better idea than the original tie plate that locked the stock bolt. The additional bonus was that it made the stock bolts and No4 type tie plates standard across the range. Just my view of course.