Just returned from Hawaii gun show

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Was a worthwhile trip, found some interesting military shotgun items at a good price.

got 2 sealed cans of military no.9 chilled shot rounds @ $60 per can, packed 10 rounds per box, dated mar 72. manufactured by WCC Olin. does anyone know what they used these rounds for? skeet? combat? are the worth keeping? how much are they worth? or should I just shoot them aff at the range for practice?

I also found an original winchester model 97 trenchgun heat shield / bayonet lug, it was blued about 80+% finish, some light rust, 4 hole and with a "W" proof mark. guy wanted to sell me it with a feed tube complete with pump assembly. I passed on the assembly but got the heat shield at a discount... It cost me a whopping $45.00. the only bad thing about this heat shield is that the screws were missing. does anyone have the screws? or what would a suitable replacement be?

thanks in advance!

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[James B.]

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I don't know just what they were useing #9CS for as late as Vietnam era. In WWII they were used for training purposes, mostly aerial gunner training as most of these guys had never held a gun before much less did they have an idea how to lead a target. At $60 per can I'd say you probably did pretty well. How many rounds per can? Can you post some pics. or tell us the markings on the cans? Those are genuine military collectables and to the right person probably worth alot more than you paid. Before you open them, if you don't care to keep them, try posting a can on Gun Broker and see what they would bring. Hey, I'd be interested. Just don't use them for blasting.
Are they really sealed spam cans or 50 cal. cans like most other Vienam era shells?
James B.

[442nd]

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I don't know just what they were useing #9CS for as late as Vietnam era. In WWII they were used for training purposes, mostly aerial gunner training as most of these guys had never held a gun before much less did they have an idea how to lead a target. At $60 per can I'd say you probably did pretty well. How many rounds per can? Can you post some pics. or tell us the markings on the cans? Those are genuine military collectables and to the right person probably worth alot more than you paid. Before you open them, if you don't care to keep them, try posting a can on Gun Broker and see what they would bring. Hey, I'd be interested. Just don't use them for blasting.
Are they really sealed spam cans or 50 cal. cans like most other Vienam era shells?
James B.

the cans are 50 cal type cans, packed 120 rounds per can(10 boxes wrapped in VCI packaging), markings are as follows:

120 CARTRIDGES
12 GAGE, SHOTGUN
PLASTIC
NO. 9 CHILLED SHOT
2 3/4 DRAM
LOT WCC-30-6002

I did talk to a Navy Vietnam Veteran today, He was in the "Brown Water Navy" It was interesting in that he showed me photos of himself on a PBR he was assigned to. He was holding an Ithaca Model 37. I asked him for a copy of the photo and will post it when I get it. He went on to say that he recognizes this ammo and was issued some for use with an Ithaca model 37 "Duck Billed shotgun" I dont know what a "Duck Billed shotgun" is... Looked for reference to it but could not find any... any clues? I thought that all the service shotgun ammo that they were issued were 00 buck?

[James B.]

A Duck Billed Shotgun I believe is another term for a shot diverter. This is a device which looks somewhat like a flash hider of sorts and is designed to spread the shot pattern lateraly to increase hit probability. Didn't work too well in the real world and I think actually decreased hit performance.
I can't see anyone in a combat role being issued #9cs without pitching a fit. 00B was standard issue with some Marines getting #4B and maybe a few flechettes. Interesting though, full cans of Vietnam era shells are hard to find.

James B.

[Chuckindenver]

1903 springfield stacking swivle screws are the same, just a bit shorter then the shotgun.
the Krag stacking screw is a good fit as well, but that pretty tough to find.

[Festus]

A Duck Billed Shotgun I believe is another term for a shot diverter. This is a device which looks somewhat like a flash hider of sorts and is designed to spread the shot pattern lateraly to increase hit probability. Didn't work too well in the real world and I think actually decreased hit performance.
I can't see anyone in a combat role being issued #9cs without pitching a fit. 00B was standard issue with some Marines getting #4B and maybe a few flechettes. Interesting though, full cans of Vietnam era shells are hard to find.

James B.

James is correct about the "diverter"attachment. IIRC they were primarily intended for airfield security against sappers who had infiltrated and would take cover under aircraft and behind landing gear and wheels.
By shooting low the pellets would spread laterally and any that missed would ricochet at a shallow angle hopefully causing little or no collateral damage.
Tires,wheels,and brake attachments were cheaper and easier to repair than engines,avionics,and wings.That was the theory.
As James said they really didn't work that well.
Festus

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How do you post photos here? I would like to post photos of the cans of ammo.

[James B.]

First you need a hosting site that will store the pics. you want to post. Photobucket is a good one as you can set up a free account although you're limited in size (number of pics.). I have one and have never hit the limit. The cool thing is you can upload pics. from your computer to your Photobucket account directly from this site. Hit reply and scroll down to "Additional Options" and click on "Display Upload From Photobucket".

You can also use this site as a host and upload pics. (limited in size) in the "Attach Files" box by clicking on "Manage Attachments". These are the pics. that show up in posts that enlarge when you click on them. I'll try to post one of my pics. that will fit; unrelated to your above post. Again, check the file size limit and compare that to the file size of your pics. Pretty slick!
James B.