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    Hmm... let's see what you guys think of this "sniper"...

    http://www.valleyguns.com/listings/d...mnum=851399288

    Soviet Mosin Nagant 1891/30 Sniper Rifle

    The Mosin Nagant 91/30 sniper was featured in the movie Enemy at the Gates and has only increased in popularity over the years!

    This is a genuine Hungarian Mosin Nagant 91/30 Sniper Rifle in 7.62x54r I recently aqcuired from a reputable seller on this site. I have two of these fine rifles and I have decided to part with this one.

    The bore is bright and shiny with some marks. The wood is in excellent condition showing some handling marks. Hungarian rifles have the distinction of an oil finish which is much more durable than Mosin Nagants from Russiaicon that have a Shellac finish. The wood is a gorgeous solid beech one-piece free of repairs, cracks, or splices. It is original Hungarian, with 02 markings. The wood around one part of the scope mount inlet is lighter colored because of some material I removed to stop a split from becoming bigger. Do not mistake this for mischief! The rifle will come with the sling pictured.

    The metal on this rifle is a very attractive vintage grey-blue finish with a high polish and standard of quality only seen on a Sniper Rifle. The receiver shows the Hungarian crest, date of 1953 (this probably saw action during the failed Hungarian Revolution of 1956), and Soviet 02 markings. The 02 marking is a Soviet country code for Hungaryicon and adorns nearly every part of this rifle, right down to the barrel bands. Serial numbers match on the bolt, receiver, magazine floor plate, and buttplate. They are stamped, not electropenciled. This rifle is in original condition and has never been refurbished.

    The scope mount and scope are reproductions, although the rings have matching serial numbers. The non-essential locating pins are absent, but both the receiver screws and locking screws are present giving the scope a rock solid fit that cannot come loose.
    I love how the "bright and shiny" bore has "some marks". Wonder if it could be pitting???

    The wood is "free of repairs, cracks, or splices", but then later he mentions "wood around one part of the scope mount inlet is lighter colored because of some material I removed to stop a split from becoming bigger." Umm.... yeah.

    Then he says "This rifle is in original condition and has never been refurbished." but then he says "The scope mount and scope are reproductions, although the rings have matching serial numbers." and don't forget - the mounting pins aren't there. I translate this to say: "This was an infantry rifle that I put on an e-bay PU base and mount and bought a Kalinka Optics scope and mounted that. I musta got the cheapo e-bay kit cuz the seller didn't include mounting pins". I'll bet the stamped mount serial numbers look suspiciously like Princess Auto Cheap Chinese Stamp Set font...

    Someone should have pointed out to him that M91/30 Hungarian infantry rifles are actually rarer than the PU version as less were made - Hungary made mostly M44's. In the long run, his rare infantry rifle would have been worth a pretty penny. Now it's only a nearly fraudulently listed fake on an auction site...
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    The least he could have done was buy one of the repro PU scopes. Lots of folks are making up simulated snipers these days. Its too bad when the candidate rifle was a good one to start with. Bubba is alive and well.
    This is an example of the sort of description that would never appear on this site.
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    Actually I was following that auction with intent to buy. He bought it from zefarm about a year ago & from what i could see in the pics it was an original sniper with the repro crap put on an original scope base. The bolt was sniper & seemed to have "patina" around the base where it joined the body so I don't think it was recent. maybe it came into the country sans scope. Either way, I would have spent $500 to find out.

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    Not a chance. The scope and mount are reproductions but he somehow has the original matching rings? Ya... right. The rings are faked too, I guarantee it - without the original mount the rings would be long gone.

    The old "i relieved some wood around the mount" is a cover intended to deceive people into believing the mount inletting is not recently cut.

    It's your money, but I wouldn't touch it with YOUR wallet, let alone mine
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