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    Remington 870 current military issue

    What are the martial markings on the current 870's with the composite stock and fore end? A friend of mine works in a AF armory and he said they just received 4 racks of 870's with dark gray stocks and fore ends. When did they start using the composite stocks. He is on leave now.
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    What I could find out the USAF is using the 870 MCS my friend told me he didn't see any markings on the guns other then the factory markings.

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    Same with the Canadianicon guns...nothing special reported. Let me get one more man involved here, he may have info...wait, out...
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    Speaking to Canadianicon Service shotguns, we had no additional military stampings, proofs, or identification markings, they were only marked with Remington roll marks and typical serial numbers.

    During my time (subject to change with modernization) we had the Remington 870P (Police) parkerized finish with composite stocks. 12 guage, 3" chambers, cylinder bore, bead sight. barrels at 18" if memory serves. Two butt stocks were offered, the typical fixed composite, and the over top steel folder with pistol grip.

    Identifying a former service one in the future will be difficult because only the serial number records will tell you if was a CF gun, but due to currently policy it should be fairly easy as all former CF weapons are to be destroyed and not sold out of service.





    Additional remarks.

    The LOP was too long for anyone under 6'2" to shoot properly with body armour on, personally I couldn't even shoulder the weapon while wearing plates, well I could, but then I couldn't reach the pump with the supporting hand, it looked comical I must say...

    The folding steel stock was the worst thing I have ever tried to shoot with, I would rather be hit in the head with an entrenching tool than do another "Jungle Lane" range with one of those.

    There was a great deal of mistrust of these shotguns, first because of a warning officially issued around 2004 that stated our shotguns were found to discharge if at the ready (shell chambered) and the weapon suffered a short fall (drop) onto the butt, secondly due to lacking a removable magazine the positive clearing of the weapon became different than most weapons, which lead to a run of ND's among less diligent soldiers unaccustomed to shotguns in their former civilian life.

    During my tour to Afghanistan in 2006 our shotguns were issued with #7 birdshot high brass loads, since there were few upland game birds in the desert, this ammunition became a running mockery of the supply system among knowledgeable shotgunners.

    Shotguns did not really see widespread service, they were issued during special situations and during operations generally rode inside the LAV 3 and were used to provide a measure of "seriousness" to leaders meetings (Shura) after Captain Greene was nearly killed with an axe during one these kinds of meetings.

    I will find some period photos from my collection to share.

    I see from the internet, different types of shotguns have entered service, some are 870P with extended tubes, sights, or flashlight pumps, the JTF2 apparently has a Benelli but that is outside my immediate scope of knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentryduty View Post
    Speaking to Canadianicon Service shotguns, we had no additional military stampings, proofs, or identification markings, they were only marked with Remington roll marks and typical serial numbers.

    During my time (subject to change with modernization) we had the Remington 870P (Police) parkerized finish with composite stocks. 12 guage, 3" chambers, cylinder bore, bead sight. barrels at 18" if memory serves. Two butt stocks were offered, the typical fixed composite, and the over top steel folder with pistol grip.

    Identifying a former service one in the future will be difficult because only the serial number records will tell you if was a CF gun, but due to currently policy it should be fairly easy as all former CF weapons are to be destroyed and not sold out of service.

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    Additional remarks.

    The LOP was too long for anyone under 6'2" to shoot properly with body armour on, personally I couldn't even shoulder the weapon while wearing plates, well I could, but then I couldn't reach the pump with the supporting hand, it looked comical I must say...

    The folding steel stock was the worst thing I have ever tried to shoot with, I would rather be hit in the head with an entrenching tool than do another "Jungle Lane" range with one of those.

    There was a great deal of mistrust of these shotguns, first because of a warning officially issued around 2004 that stated our shotguns were found to discharge if at the ready (shell chambered) and the weapon suffered a short fall (drop) onto the butt, secondly due to lacking a removable magazine the positive clearing of the weapon became different than most weapons, which lead to a run of ND's among less diligent soldiers unaccustomed to shotguns in their former civilian life.

    During my tour to Afghanistan in 2006 our shotguns were issued with #7 birdshot high brass loads, since there were few upland game birds in the desert, this ammunition became a running mockery of the supply system among knowledgeable shotgunners.

    Shotguns did not really see widespread service, they were issued during special situations and during operations generally rode inside the LAV 3 and were used to provide a measure of "seriousness" to leaders meetings (Shura) after Captain Greene was nearly killed with an axe during one these kinds of meetings.

    I will find some period photos from my collection to share.

    I see from the internet, different types of shotguns have entered service, some are 870P with extended tubes, sights, or flashlight pumps, the JTF2 apparently has a Benelli but that is outside my immediate scope of knowledge.
    Thats some interesting first hand accounts. Do you mind if I use some of that info and you pics on my blog? It's in the sig line. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikesm44 View Post
    Thats some interesting first hand accounts. Do you mind if I use some of that info and you pics on my blog? It's in the sig line. Thanks.
    You can certainly quote my observations. Some of the photos are sourced from google though and I own no rights to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentryduty View Post
    You can certainly quote my observations. Some of the photos are sourced from google though and I own no rights to them.
    thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikesm44 View Post
    thanks!
    I think I have a photo or two kicking around from my deployment that could be provided. PM me and we can talk further.

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    Sad for us that we never have focused on usability from the outset. There are collapsible stocks that go right on for immediate use. Here's one example...

    It's like the C7 with the solid butt, too long for the later use. No forethought whatsoever.
    Regards, Jim

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    The Remington 870 MCS Modular Combat Shotgun has a 10"barrel a 14"barrel and a 18"barrel also comes with a fixed butt stock a collapsible butt stock and a pistol grip in which the butt stocks slides into a dovetail and held in place by a pin which makes for a quick and easy stock change

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