P17 Bayonet without grooved grips.

[Time Bandit]

I concur. Model 1917 and Pattern 1914 are identical bayonets

Yep identical, but as far as I know the British never used the name Pattern 1914, it was always the Pattern 1913? Even though the rifle changed to the P14, the bayonet, as far as I know anyhow, retained the P1913 name and wasn't renamed to the P1914 like the rifle?

[browningautorifle]

OK then, the Pattern 13 and 14 are the same too, except for the originals with a hooked quillion. And I've never heard the Pattern 14 bayonet referred to as the Pattern 13... That was this one... --->

sword bayonet for Enfield 276 experimental rifle Pattern 1913 276 experimental (WEA 482.1)

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=42702

[Flying10uk]

Does any-one actually have a P14 and a P17 rifle together with P14 and P17 bayonets that they are able to try fitting together in every possible combination, please, before we totally dismiss the possibility that there may be a combination that doesn't fit together. The person who told me was quite emphatic about it and he had no reason to make it up or lie to me.

[fjruple]

I have a Remington P14 bayonet and it fits my Model of 1917 Eddystone OK. Also fits on my 12 gauge riot gun also.

--fjruple

[Time Bandit]

OK then, the Pattern 13 and 14 are the same too, except for the originals with a hooked quillion. And I've never heard the Pattern 14 bayonet referred to as the Pattern 13... That was this one... --->

sword bayonet for Enfield 276 experimental rifle Pattern 1913 276 experimental (WEA 482.1)

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=42702

Yes the original Pattern 1913 bayonet is as you say, but when the the the P1913 rifle was changed to .303 and renamed the P14 the bayonet wasn't changed officially to the Pattern 1914 bayonet it retained its original Pattern 1913 name. It's often called the P14 bayonet (as can been seen in this thread and possibly elsewhere) but this is just a collectors/unofficial term and whilst it was in production for the UK it was always a P1913. At the end of the day I don't suppose it really matters but if you call it a P13 or a P14 but it 'should' be a P13 bayonet which was stuck on the end of a P14 rifle and when the US took over production of the P14 rifle for themselves as the .30 M1917 the bayonet became the M1917 as you already know.

[browningautorifle]

The person who told me was quite emphatic about it

I've had them all and they interchange, and he didn't lie he was just wrong.

[porterkids]

Again, I concur. The bayonets are identical except for the markings. They are completely interchangeable.

[green]

The bayonet for the P14 rifle was designated Pattern 1913 and so stamped on the ricasso.

[Flying10uk]

Has any actually checked, recently, to make absolutely sure that a P17 bayonet really does fit on a P14 rifle before we all get too carried away saying that the P14 and P17 rifles and bayonets are all fully interchangeable? I have a P17 bayonet as we all know because it started this thread and I also have a P14 rifle but, so far, I haven't checked to see if the 2 fit together.

[twh]

They are completely interchangeable. In fact after the British contract was complete leftover Pattern 13 bayonets had the British markings barred out and were used in the US contracts. The US contract rifles are Model 1917 rifles and bayonets are Model 1917 bayonets.