UK Bren owners beware.......

[Flying10uk]

A recent copy of Gun Mart magazine suggested, if I understood it correctly, that we were the only E.U. country to fully implement the new E.U. rules/regulations/laws.

[mrclark303]

That's about right F10, considering the current legislation regards trading of deactivated firearms within the EU, it should be null and void in 2019.... Problem is they will probably just copy and paste the legislation into UK law.

[bigduke6]

That's about right F10, considering the current legislation regards trading of deactivated firearms within the EU, it should be null and void in 2019.... Problem is they will probably just copy and paste the legislation into UK law.

Once were out John that will be the case, once we leave and between the time it is copied and pasted and the few words re shuffled........is the "Window of opportunity" I spoke of.

The W&P show didn't have as much as normal in LMG's etc, one stand that was attracting attention was the guy who was making Replica/dummy GPMG's, very impressive.

[30Three]

I'm not convinced that leaving the EU will make things any easier for firearms in the UK; as you already have the strictest laws in the EU as far as I know.
When was the last time you could take a .45 pistol out for target practice?
I understand that the EU were changing the Deac' rules because some of the weapons used in recent terror attacks (Bataclan etc) were apparently re-activated deac's; albeit from eastern euro countries that do not have the same rules in place.

[Flying10uk]

I understand that the EU were changing the Deac' rules because some of the weapons used in recent terror attacks (Bataclan etc) were apparently re-activated deac's; albeit from eastern euro countries that do not have the same rules in place.

It was suggested, if I understood what I read correctly, that they could still fire blank ammunition so would have retained functioning working parts. Hardly what we know as a deac in the U.K. and, in my view, shouldn't be called a deactivated weapon.

All that these new rules/laws have really achieved is to massively inconvenience law abiding collectors and also dealers trying to make an honest living.

[AmEngRifles]

When it is convenient, maybe a few folks in the UK, as well as other European Countries will update where the laws stand and how the situation looks. Overall, I see the UK government ( and many of it’s citizens) preferring to reduce and remove almost any military arms from public possession. We have the same situation in the US, but a few years behind the UK.

A large part of the left leaning citizenry really does not embrace gun ownership. While I do not believe any new laws were passed concerning importation of military deactivated weapons, under Obama direction, ATF’s new “ interpretations” of deactivation included barrels, now requiring torch cutting. Next will be bolts and trigger parts; maybe bipods!!

I did not stay up to date with the passage of ITAR, wrongly believing it applied to governments and military purchasers. It has also effected the sale of the smallest parts and accessories in the firearms trade. At one time I could order small parts from the UK or Australia. Now, I do not believe that is allowable. So the parts in each local, are the parts that will be available, meaning those prices will rise. That is unless you are told by your government they are BANNED with NO COMPENSATION. Then you are instantly made a criminal or you are instantly reduced in financial compensation of legally purchased items.

There should be NO Bans without financial compensation to owners. It is too easy for lawmakers to wave their wand when it doesn’t cost them anything.

[philb]

There should be NO Bans without financial compensation to owners. It is too easy for lawmakers to wave their wand when it doesn’t cost them anything.

we got close to diddly for our hand guns, when we made to hand them ,,,,,stupid UK laws

[Sunray]

EU accepted specs aren't going to matter after 29 March 2019.
Your DEWATs entirely welded shut?

[Buccaneer]

I have just bumped into this thread and thought I had better update the world at large regarding the state of the deactivation laws in Europe and UK. As those of us who live in the UK we not only enforce new regulation but put jam on it as well.
The EU commission decided after the attacks in France that the deactivation regulations needed to be altered because as someone has already pointed out that supposedly deactivated guns were reactivated and used in the terrorist attacks. As far as I am aware the only "deactivation" that was carried out was to pin the breach to prevent a round being chambered so reactivation was a really easy process.
The Commission decided to impose new regulations that would apply to ALL guns weather deactivated or not which meant that all existing deactivated guns had to be altered to bring them up to the new specification.
In the UK there were what is referred to as pre "95" deacts these fetched a premium price because whilst they are completely deactivated they still have moving parts and could at least be part stripped, things like bren barrels though were welded in place. After "95" the rules changed and there were a lot less moving parts but the rules were not retrospective and it was still legal to own and trade in both types.
Now comes the rub, the new EU Commission rules applied at ALL deactivated guns regardless of there previous state, and to get round the compensation problem which would have cost a fortune, ie pre "95" MP40's were fetching between £2000 and £3000, they decided that it was not illegal to own a deactivated gun that was not up to the new standard but it was illegal to sell, trade, lend, give or leave in a will any such gun unless it was brought up to the new standard.
This of course destroyed the value of any collection overnight and some peoples collections were huge. People who earnt their living from selling deacts were now caught with stock that had to be re-deactivated and sent to the proof house for certification before they could carry on their business but the clowns in Europe were not finished with us yet.
After all of the work and expense required to bring their stock up to the new standard within 18 months the EU Commission had decided to alter the specification yet again which meant that all of the previous work and expense was a complete waste of time as no compensation was offered.
The new specification is basically everything is ground off and or welded shut the only thing that moves is the trigger and that must not be in contact with anything inside the gun, so there you have it what might have been once been worth several thousand pounds is now a worthless piece of wood and metal. Brexit bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bigduke6]

EU accepted specs aren't going to matter after 29 March 2019.
Your DEWATs entirely welded shut?

For anyone with pre 95 and 95 spec deactivated firearms, it will be a date to remember if they wish to trade sell etc....... how long before it gets re written one can only guess, but I think the Government will have enough on its plate when we leave...... yep as Buccaneer says the day can't come quick enough, personally if I was in the PM,s shoes I'd just stick two fingers up at them all........ there are a lot of government bodies geared up for a no deal.