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    Question Help! Mauser-Vergueiro bolt + safety stuck

    Hello!

    Since I'm new on this forum and couldn't find the thread I was looking for, I decide to make my own. My apologise if there is a thread about this already and my English.

    A few days ago I inherited a Mauser-Vergeuiro from a family member. I don't know the story behind it, but the first thing I tried is the bolt itself. It does nothing. Even the safety doesn't move.



    Now I'm wondering if there are any tips or tricks to make it all move again?
    Same for the 2 screws near the trigger, it's just... stuck as hell!

    Thanks by advance for your help,

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    Which model of Mauser-Vergueiro is it, a 1904 or a 1904/39? The Trigger Guard screws on the M1904/39 have capture screws as well which can be tight on there (one trick can be moving the main screw slightly to take the pressure off the capture screw which then allows you to remove them). Oil it if you need to as that will help.

    Pictures help with this type of thing. Here is a photo of that type of bolts both assembled and disassembled.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglelord17 View Post
    Which model of Mauser-Vergueiro is it, a 1904 or a 1904/39?
    Thank you for your reply.
    I'm totally new to guns, but I already love it, as I'm a World War ''fan''
    On the side it says ''6,5 MOD. 1904''
    It's not like I've taken the bolt apart, which I won't since I've read that's quite difficult to be put back togheter. I actually can't since I just can not move it.

    EDIT: I did manage to get the wood ontop off, as shown in the picture.





    I hope you can see the pictures, I don't do this everyday.

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    Here is a link to a thread I made earlier showing the difference between the two models (the side marking doesn't actually tell you oddly enough). The reason I ask is because it will effect how the trigger guard is arranged (whether or not there is a capture screw or not, which might be leading to your problem). Unfortunately your pictures aren't working (what I do is post to photobucket, and attach the link here).

    https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=56864

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    I've the ''updated'' one, with the shortened barrel. Saw your pictures, I can say that I've the M1904/39 trigger guard with the capture screws added.
    I just got one out of two out, where I used two screwdrivers. Struggling with the last one.

    EDIT: Saw that you posted via Photobucket, done the same. [IMG] etc. It works for me when I right click on it.
    Last edited by Jowi; 12-07-2016 at 04:09 PM.

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    Well I managed to get to your photos, I am putting the link below





    ---------- Post added at 04:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:51 PM ----------

    So based on the photo it looks like your bolt might be misassembled. On both of my bolts the firing pin protrudes outside to the striker slightly whereas yours doesn't appear to. Are you able to remove the bolt at all, because I think you need to reassemble it properly to get it to function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eaglelord17 View Post
    Are you able to remove the bolt at all, because I think you need to reassemble it properly to get it to function.
    There's absolutely no movement in the savety or the bolt itself. Only that one ''button'' on the left, infront of the safety, which you hold to get the bolt out is functioning.
    I did manage to get all the screws out near the trigger/ammo drop-out (Don't know the names for it), can't get it out though.

    That one ''button'' near the trigger, to let the ammo fall out, doesn't move either. No signs of welding or glue and it bothers me..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jowi View Post
    There's absolutely no movement in the savety or the bolt itself. ... No signs of welding or glue and it bothers me..
    It bothers me, too. "Absolutely no movement" is peculiar, as even a misassembled bolt assembly should have some slight degree of movement. If you can't even wiggle the bolt handle up and down a bit, that strongly suggests some kind of adhesive or mechanical lock (weld, screw...)

    I think it is time to get the barrelled system out of the stock, so that you can see if somebody has done something wierd to the bottom of the receiver in a misguided attempt to make the gun "safe". Like a) inserting a grub screw, or b) glueing it up with Loctite or cyan-acrylate "super-glue".

    a) will be obvious.
    b) will require CAREFULLY applied heat, such as hot air from a hairdrier. Empirically: get the system too hot to touch, but NOT so hot that the metal starts to change colour!

    But before all: for safety's sake TAKE A LOOK DOWN THE BARREL. maybe there's something nasty down there!
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    So Patrick has some good suggestions. Other suggestions I have is to try cocking the cocking piece (pulling back on it should cock it) and possibly loosen the bolt up. OIL the thing, everywhere, after you have removed the stock, this will help loosen things up. Hopefully this is just a case of somehow misassembling the bolt and the rifle being stuck together from lack of maintenance rather than a deactivation attempt.

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    What I would do is very carefully insert a cleaning rod down the barrel till it stops, mark the rod then when you remove the rod hold it on top of the barrel with the mark level with the muzzle and see whether the rod went all the way to the app position of the bolt face if it shows its about 2" shy of the bolt face then there is something very sinister lurking in the chamber.
    If the rod extends to the bolt face then all is well , I do try not to look down barrels after seeing that guy with the pump action 12 gauge shotty on youtube it reinforces my view on it.

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