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    We're type 99 stocks miss matched with recievers during the war?

    Im buying a new stock for my series 6 arisaka and I noticed the stock has the lug in the front for the monopod to rest.

    We're monopod stocks sometimes used on mid/late war recievers which weren't made to have monopods?
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    It all depends on the series of your rifle and its serial number within that series. Since yours is a series 6 yours could've had the front band with monopod provision but never issued with a monopod. Just be sure your stock is correct for your arsenal and series of rifle.

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    According to the Fifth Edition of Honeycutt's Military Rifles of Japanicon your rifle should have the short 4 7/8 inch screw in cleaning rod and can either have the monopod provision with a monopod, provision without monopod, or just without the provision entirely. Of course the earlier in the series your rifle is the more likely it could've been issued with a monopod.

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    this was the lug on the front i was talking about. the current stock for my rifle does not have this. I'm assuming this lug piece on the bottom of the stock is to rest the monopod, correct?

    And if the stock is a Type 99 Short Rifle stock, will it be guaranteed to fit on my rifle regardless what series the stock was made for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mauser1947 View Post
    this was the lug on the front i was talking about. the current stock for my rifle does not have this. I'm assuming this lug piece on the bottom of the stock is to rest the monopod, correct?

    And if the stock is a Type 99 Short Rifle stock, will it be guaranteed to fit on my rifle regardless what series the stock was made for?
    Well since your rifle is a short rifle indeed any type 99 short rifle stock will fit but if you tried to sell it to someone who knows what they're looking at they can tell the stock is a replacement and as such is worth far less than if it had a correct stock on it. As it sits you have a stock made for a much earlier type 99 as evidenced by the square button for the cleaning rod catch. The correct one should be just a circle underneath with no button and the correct cleaning rod is the smaller one that just screws in. The one pictured here is the bayonet catch of the correct stock for a series 6 Nagoya like yours.
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    If I may why are you restoring this particular arisaka? For me anyway a rule of thumb that I learned from many collectors is unless a sporterized rifle is a rare model like a real sniper or has sentimental value like it was your grandfather's/uncle's/dad's war trophy then cost wise it isn't worth it. A series 6 Nagoya isn't particularly rare or uncommon and you can get an unmessed with one for the amount you're sinking into this one.

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    The reason why is because the stock i have now was refinished by the previous owner and while the new finish looks beautiful, it bothers me too much knowing that its not original, nor the correct finish on Type 99 stocks.

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    Well, do you think that stocks for early Arisakas were sometimes put onto mid-late war Arisakas due to lack of supplies?

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    I wouldn't think the Japaneseicon would do that and I haven't seen any solid evidence to the contrary. All I've seen like what you're describing are just rescued sporters that were easy to tell that they had the wrong stocks. Though that didn't stop the sellers from asking full retail. As a series 6 your gun was made mid war (sometime around 1943) and the Japanese wouldn't be that strapped for parts to reuse an older stock when they were still making new stocks for rifles coming out of the factory. Maybe one could've been recycled for a very late war "last ditch" rifle but for a mid war rifle it just seems highly unlikely. As I said earlier with the amount you're going to sink into this rifle you can buy another untouched rifle and your rifle won't be correct thus it would be worth less than one left alone. I would hate for someone to sink a lot of money into something and not be able to get it back in the long run.
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    Maybe I'm missing something here, but I think that what the original poster is asking is if that lug on the bottom of the stock is a rest for the monopod. It isn't, it is a latch for the cleaning rod. This particular stock in the picture does however have a small dent on the side of the sock, which is in fact evidence of a monopod once having been there.

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    well, the post is kind of 2 questions.

    Did the Japaneseicon sometimes miss match stocks with different receivers during the war and also, do you think some Series 6 Arisakas had that latch for the cleaning rod?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mauser1947 View Post
    well, the post is kind of 2 questions.

    Did the Japaneseicon sometimes miss match stocks with different receivers during the war and also, do you think some Series 6 Arisakas had that latch for the cleaning rod?
    No and No to your question.
    By this time at the Toriimatsu factory, the 6th series rifle stocks were set up for the 2 screw front band with the round cleaning rod retainer and no drain holes at the middle of the stock. As mentioned above, you will sometime encounter the rear band with the mono-pod lug on the bottom, but the mono-pods were deleted by very late in the 4th series.
    There is always an anomaly with Japanese weapons, but you usually see the early parts showing up in late manufactured guns in mid 1945, not when your 6th was made.

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