Non- Import, non refurbished 36 Izhevsk 91/30

[Miller Tyme]

Picked this one up hoping to pin down its heritage. Its a non Import marked, non refurbed 36 Izhevsk 91/30 that is a total mix master of Izhevsk pre & post 1928 parts as well as Tula parts. The stock is unmolested and rear sight was never upgraded ( pinned). The rifle lacks any sign of being a Finn with the exception of the Finnish sling ( which is dated 1936) , nor does it show any signs of having been a SCW rifle, though there is a documented SCW rifle listed on an excellent reference sight on SCW rifles that is only 390 of this one S/N.

The SCW Mosin Nagant Serial Number Database - The Spanish Civil War Mosin Nagant

While I will probably never be able to pinpoint where this rifles history the fact I escaped a Russian style refurbishment makes it worth owning.

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[WarPig1976]

Oh, would'ya look at that, NO shellac.

[jjjxlr8]

Great looking rifle. I think the finish is Finnish, but it's a bit hard to tell in photos. Do you see signs of finish in the gouges and chips?

[Flying10uk]

Has that bolt ever been blued do you think? Parts of it look as if it may have been or it could just have been the way it was photographed? Didn't German WW2 capture Nagents sometimes end up with a blued bolt?

[jjjxlr8]

Yes! The blued bolt rifles are usually Nazi re-works that were sold to Finland. There is at least one document sale from Nazi Germany to Finland in the Summer of 1944. The blued bolt Finnish marked rifles have some unique features, including German depot markings (sometimes), re-stamped matching parts such as the buttplate and floorplate which the Finnish never bothered to do. The Finnish seemed to only care that the bolt number was re-numbered to match the rifle's serial number and those are commonly referred to as "Finn-matched" examples. Miller Tymes example posted above doesn't look like one of those, though.

[Miller Tyme]

Great looking rifle. I think the finish is Finnish, but it's a bit hard to tell in photos. Do you see signs of finish in the gouges and chips?

No the finish on this one is the original finish applied by the Russians before it left the factory.

Has that bolt ever been blued do you think? Parts of it look as if it may have been or it could just have been the way it was photographed? Didn't German WW2 capture Nagents sometimes end up with a blued bolt?

No the bolt on this one isn't blued, but to answer your question,yes , some of the bolts on Mosins that the Germans shipped to Finland in 43 had blued bolts, but most of the rifles they shipped to Finland where found to be below the Finnish Standards so they where mostly used as parts rifles so a blued bolt doesn't always mean the rifle was on the Germans sent to them.

Here is one on a Finn'ed 42 Izhevsk 91/30 I have. The rifle though has nothing else about it to connect it to the German shipment.

[Eaglelord17]

So I have a question, seeing your expertise on the Mosin Nagant subject matter (and a truly spectacular collection) I am posting a link to a thread I had on my M91 Infantry Rifle (Soviet Production) which I have been unable to identify who captured/owned it. I was thinking SCW or Finnish Capture but it doesn't have any of the obvious indicators of either (no SA stamps etc.). The bolt however is blued, and a second serial number was added on the receiver sideways. Do you think it could possibly be a German Capture then shipped to Finland. I am interested as to what your conclusions might be.

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=49974

Thanks for any help you can provide

[Miller Tyme]

So I have a question, seeing your expertise on the Mosin Nagant subject matter (and a truly spectacular collection) I am posting a link to a thread I had on my M91 Infantry Rifle (Soviet Production) which I have been unable to identify who captured/owned it. I was thinking SCW or Finnish Capture but it doesn't have any of the obvious indicators of either (no SA stamps etc.). The bolt however is blued, and a second serial number was added on the receiver sideways. Do you think it could possibly be a German Capture then shipped to Finland. I am interested as to what your conclusions might be.

https://www.milsurps.com/showthread.php?t=49974



Thanks for any help you can provide

I don't think it to be a Finn or a SCW rifle, but it could be a Balkans rifle, is there a wedge under the rear sight ramp? More pics are need to try and determine where it may have come through.

[Eaglelord17]

I added some more photos I have on file, thanks for any help you can provide.