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    WWII fighter bullet proof protection I.D.?

    I hope someone will be able to help me identify the type of fighter this bulletproof panel came from.
    it's just a small piece of local WWII history; of no real consequence; but interesting all the same.
    I was chatting to one of my neighbour's at a recent village event. He is 85 years old and has always lived at the farm. I asked him about his wartime experiences as a boy in occupied Franceicon. He mentioned that a Germanicon fighter had crashed near to the farm and some of the bits had come down in their field. They recovered the steel plate that was the pilot head and shoulder protection behind the seat. I asked him what he did with it; so he told me it's still on the workbench in his workshop. He's been using it on the bench when he needs to hammer anything. So I called in on Sunday morning and got a photo of my friend with his prize! 73 years on. (They had cut off the fixing brackets so it would lie flat on the bench)
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    I bet if you walk the crash site with a mine detector you'll find more - and identify it quickly enough.

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    If it was a Germanicon fighter the 2 most likely candidates would be either a Me109/BF109 or a Fokker-Wolfe 190. It shouldn't be too difficult to cross reference it against these 2 fighters and is most likely one of them, in my opinion.

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    Armour plate

    FW190 see pics
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    you nailed it

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    Looks about right doesn't it?
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    That's it! He explained that they removed one bracket at the top and two at the bottom so it would lay flat on the bench.
    The metal is very tough, a good hammer blow just bounces off, there are no dent's in it after 70 years on his work bench.

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    I am surmising that armour plate would stop 303 stuff but it would be questionable it stopping 50 cal A.P from P-51, P-47, P-38, Spitfire MkXIV (E or C wing) or 20mm stuff from a P-38, Typhoon or Spitfire MKXIV (E or C wing) the impact energy of these larger caliber rounds would surely be enough to tear the plate from the brackets

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    Quote Originally Posted by CINDERS View Post
    I am surmising that armour plate would stop 303 stuff
    Practically nothing will stop .50 AP, 20 MM will just take an aircraft apart. And that at 1000M. Yes, it will help to deflect but would only stop .303 for sure. I knew a man that shot at FW and ME 109s with four Inglis .303 from a tail turret and .303 did all but nothing. They'd sit there and look at you. He said when the new "American" turrets came in with two .50s, they'd take a short burst and then back off to max range. He said the junk would just cloud off behind them upon strike...
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    I am sure that I have seen pics of later marks of Lancasters with twin 50's in the rear turret instead of the usual 4 x 303" Brownings I shall check my books later today, yes the Germans often did that to the bomber streams lobbed stuff from out of range including rockets, bombs from above the bomber streams and 30mm cannon fire from the 262's.

    One of my favourite aircraft the "Butcher Bird" after the Spit & P-51 of course, it had fly by wire in it the ailerons I think which were controlled by electric servo's they had a power divider in the aircraft as well which also had a built in redundancy 2 sets of wires per servo not sure if they were routed separately. In fact a quick story was a chap was building a flying (it did) 2/3rds scale replica of an FW-190 went to a renown plane manufacturer asking if they could make one (power divider) which they said it could not be done he said well the Germans built one in 1940's. I think it is on Wings of the Luftwaffe tape I have the FW-190 is one of the planes in the tape also the BF 109, 262 & ME-210
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