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    Idiots. At least the Italianicon dealer had the sense to match bolts to rifles on all those No.4s and No.1s they got from their navy a few years back.
    Apparently they were able to match a few. From what I understand (and have seen on the internet) they found it much easier to renumbered the bolts.

    Hi, I have seen on their website a few interesting pictures of the matching operations between rifles and bolts.
    It was a time consuming job, but it has been done for real.
    Euroarms is a very highly appreciated company here, and many collectors (including smaller ones like me) have bought rifles from them which are really matching.
    Maybe some just didn't have the matching parts, but the ones I have seen and own are good.
    The very nice thing is that most of the rifles were in very good conditions, since the Navy never used them, apart for some ceremonies way back in time.
    There are still a few A-grade pieces out there if you know the right gun dealer who has contacts with the owners.
    If I'm not wrong, the should have closed business or being short before going that way.

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    I've bought a couiple of dozen of both the No1 & No4 rifles that came from the Italianicon Navy & whilst it's only anecdotal & from a small sample size I found about 25% of the rifles bore genuinely (or ordnance re-matched) bolts. I buy from one of the bigger UKicon dealers who buys them several hundred at a time, mainly for deactivation & sale to the collector market; no doubt he gets them 'as they come', which is what I like.

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    So the "C" on your cutoff boss is an unsolved mystery? Interesting indeed.

    Nice looking sporter too.
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    So.......
    Is the meaning of the 'C' on the cut off boss known?

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    Here's a hypothesis, and just a hypothesis: since the "S" indicated that the sights did not require re-zeroing after conversion to "T" specs, (see p.117 of Peter's book), the "C" might be for "Corrected", indicating that they did require re-zeroing.

    It could also be that it was decided after not very long that there was no need to continue this practice since the absence of the "S" could be understood the same way.
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    Interesting thought......
    My L42 has a C over-stamped with an S

    I have often wondered if the S was added later 'because someone thought it should have one'

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    A photo or two would help.
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    And of course there are a few unconverted TR stamped rifles around with both of the examiner's marks and the "S"...not supposed to be there, but they are...
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