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    Ross mkiii sights questions

    Hello, I am not looking for a rear sight. I am looking for answers about rear sights. I would like to have a better understanding of them and i have been unable to find these answers after hours of combing through these forums, manuals, and internet videos. I unfortunately do no have the Ross Rifle Story which sounds like a very good resource. But if anybody out there does, or simply knows the answers to these questions, please help a new Ross owner out.

    1. How are the apertures and battle sights supposed to be used on the mkiii?

    2. When the sight is folded down, what distance is the battle sight set to, and it doesn't look to be adjustable, but is it?

    3. When the sight is flipped up, the upper sight is a battle sight, correct? Now between the full aperture and battle sight of the flip up sights, what is the difference in elevation?

    4. When flipped up, which sight corresponds with the yard measurements? The battle sight or the aperture sight?

    5. How do the minutes of elevation on the outside of the frame work? Was this a common unit of elevation measurement for target shooters back then??
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    Welcome to the forum. This explanation was posted on another forum in the past:

    (originally by "MkVII" on Gunboards I see; thanks MkVII)

    The following article appeared originally in the September, 1942 issue of The Rifleman

    Our military authorities occasionally issue weapons, especially to the unfortunate Home Guard, with totally inadequate, and some cases complete absence of, information as to how to use them. The Ross rifle is a case in point. Most people manage eventually to worry out the mysteries of the bolt, but generally the back sight defeats them. The Editor has asked me to ensure that readers at least of The Rifleman shall be properly informed.

    There have been several variations of this sight issued in past years, but all those I have seen in this country are of the model described here.

    It has two “battle sights", which are cut-away apertures both fixed to the slide which also has an ordinary or closed aperture.

    The normal position of this slide is, of course, at the bottom of the leaf, and the leaf down.

    The battle sight which then shows is set for 600 yards. NOT 400 yards. There is no 400 yard battle sight on the Ross.

    If you now flip up the leaf, the other battle sight shows.

    This is (with the slide at the bottom as stated) set for 1,000 yards.

    The idea is that, against an advancing enemy, the soldier starts shooting, with this battle sight up, when they are 1000 yards away, and until they reach 600 yards away. He then flips the leaf down and continues with the 600 yard battle sight aiming down (if he knows the trajectory) when they get closer. A very good idea too - if anyone was ever told about it.

    Both these battle sights have as I said, cut-away apertures. They are variously referred to by the ignorant as "open sights”,"modified U's”, "buckhorns", and all kinds of things; and instructors instruct recruits to "get the blade in the center of the U and level with the shoulders." It is pathetic: imagine any rifle designer fitting an open sight at two inches from the eye! Not outside of Bedlam Asylum!

    No - use them exactly like any other aperture. Just imagine, if you like, that the bit of the ring cut away at the top is still there, and go ahead.

    It is cut out to let more light through in bad light, and to enable you to pick up your foresight blade and target more quickly. But as no Britishicon soldiers or Home Guards ever practice shooting in dusk at natural targets, they would not know this. Nor would they know anything about the virtues of white sight-paint and shooting with both eyes open - things which the stalker or poacher learns in his cradle and which soldiers should be taught, but never are. However, we are supposed to be talking about the Ross Sight.

    As stated, there is an ordinary aperture, at the bottom of the slide, which has the 1000 yard battle sight at the top.

    This aperture is for all accurate deliberate fire. It is raised up the leaf by a quick thread screw, and on the face of the leaf are range markings in yards. This series of figures starts at zero, and then 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 hundred yards. There is no 100 yards. One hundred is never used as a range marking in war, and if you want to set your sight accurately for 100 for practice (grouping) you have to find the elevation, somewhere above zero, for yourself. The micrometer scale can be used for this.

    On the right edge of the leaf is a “micrometer” scale. This is not another series of hundreds of yards markings. Its zero is level with the other zero, but there is no other connection. It is meant to be used for targeting the rifle exactly like the scales on civilian .22 rifle sights, which have no ranges marked on them.

    This scale is marked from one to nine; these are tenths of an inch. Each division is again divided up into four. One-tenth of an inch at this sight radius gives you near enough, ten minutes of angle. A quarter division therefore gives you a quarter of this or 2.5 minutes of angle; and this is the finest adjustment shown. There are no "clicks" but you can of course set the sight to finer adjustment by judgment. The scale is probably intended chiefly to enable a man to take exact readings of the sight on this scale if the bullet’s impact does not agree exactly with the range markings on sight leaf; as it seldom does owing to the impossibility of standardizing precisely such things as stocking and barrel flip and jump. [Not correct: on the micrometer or “vernier” scale, with the scale set a zero, there are five movements of the wheel required to bring the scale to each line successively between “0" and “1"; in other words each graduation represents 2 minutes of angle, not 2.5 This is also stated in the Handbook for the Canadianicon Service Rifle, Ross MkIII, 1913.]

    Behind and at the bottom of the leaf is a knurled wheel on the “wind gauge screw”. There is on the front of the leaf a wind gauge scale marked in twentieths of an inch. Each of these gives five minutes of lateral angle per graduation; they are not divided any more finely and intermediate settings are obtained by turning the knurled wheel. [Not correct: the windgauge scale is also a vernier scale, which can be adjusted and read in 1 minute increments, if the user understands how to read a vernier scale; the author apparently did not. This is also confirmed by the above Handbook.]

    The wind gauge is of course a very convenient means of adjustment for straight shooting. Once adjusted it should then be left alone. Wind allowance is not now done by wind gauge in British military shooting.

    By the way, there is a very simple way of checking the range to which these, or any other battle sights are supposed to be set, as follows: fix the rifle firmly in a vice (sic) or the like with the 600 yard battle sight and foresight lined up correctly at a mark - any mark, at any distance.

    Now raise the leaf (without moving the rifle) and screw the slide up until the aperture in the bottom of it comes correctly to the same aim. If you have done it correctly you will find that it has come up to the 600 yards mark; that is your check.

    Similarly, with the leaf up and slide at the bottom, line up the leaf battle sight with the mark. Then screw the slide up until the aperture comes to the aim; it will be at the 1,000 yards mark.

    You can check a P.14 or M.17 similarly; with the P.14 you will find that the battle sight aim agrees with that of the slide aperture at 400 yards, as a rule. I have found a few which were set for 300 yards. The battle sight on the M.17 agrees with the leaf at 450 yards. This is because the battle sight is identical and the same height on both rifles, and thus gives a longer range, by 50 yards [due] to the higher velocity [and flatter trajectory of the] .30-06 cartridge.

    The leaf sights are not the same, each being correctly marked at the respective range elevations for its cartridge.

    The Ross backsight must be set to 700 yards or less when folded down so that the 600 yard battle sight is at the correct elevation and the lugs on the sight base engage the sight frame to protect it from lateral blows.
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