Lee Enfield No7 MK1 22Mag

[read6737]

Were any No7s built in .22 mag?
there is one for sale here in Francce.

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[30Three]

I looked at that rifle on Naturabuy as well. It should be .22LR
Unfortunately soemone has modified it, therefore destroying the collector value (only 3000 made I believe) and also making it no good for TAR competitions!
So all in all; it's a crying shame!

[bigduke6]

As to the original question No...... , Collector value gone but should still be a nice rifle...... I'd certainly give it a good home regardless of calibre.

[Promo]

Edit: sorry, understood wrongly. Thought you were looking to buy one.

[browningautorifle]

That caliber would actually have potential around here, too bad about the collector value but now it is what it is. Out in the prairies it would be great for dispatching gophers(that's not golfers) and coyotes.

[read6737]

My thoughts re the TAR
The No 7 is classed as a retube No4. alon with the No8 and 9.
.22mag has the same diameter as a 223 ans 222. at .224
So there is an argument that it could be used.
The proof in the compertition is on the shooter.
The TAR regs are still evolving,
I was the my departments 200m Open sights champ,
the first yearthe TAR was held, it was held at my club, Shot wit a Mauser in 8X64s.
Now I am an Arbitre, I would alow some one to shoot it at department level at 200m
and then see what happened at the Regional level, and then on to the Nationals if they made it that far.
It is one way to push change. it is the way some changes were forced to be made to the TAR when it was first introduced, It May cost a few euros to pay to contest. But I think it would be worth it.
For the training rifle comp, that may be harder, but again there is still a point to trying, I would still alow someone to use it and then see what happens, if no one contested then it goes to the next level.
I do not think it puts you at an advantage, could even be a disadvantage,
There are a number of things alowed and not alowed in the TAR,
that I do not agree with, so I am one Judge that is willing to push the rules to see where it goes.

Collecting value does not even enter in to it for me,
you buy what you like, history or story not important to me.
does it do what you want, it is an enfield, it still has a value, you can still put a .22lr barrel on to it.

[30Three]

I was thinking specifically for the trainer .22 class. But I suppose you could use it in modified at 200 metres.
If you are an "Arbitre" for TAR*, could you tell me if my L39A1 would be accepted for the modified class, if fitted with a blade front sight insert.
I've been told by other shooters that it's not ok because it's a competition rifle; but an L42A1 is ok. Even though they are almost identical and both converted from No4 rifles.

* TAR = Tir Armes Reglementaire; which is basically the French service rifle competition, for those that are not aware.

[read6737]

was it a version just for police?
Does it still have any origional No 4 T markings?
what are the sights you wish to shoot with,?

[read6737]

I think that if you turned it into a replica of a L42A1 then it would be ok,
I would have a file with the L42 specs and photos, along with the replica specs, 7.62 or 303 will not matter,
best example is the .22 norinco mauser copy that is alowed, compaired to an ortgional mauser K98 training rifle in .22. it just looks the same.
You are in a grey area, just say little and present the arm forinspection and see what happens.
If the specs are the same, cannon length diam,, cross, fore end, sights, etc, I would go for it, even if they are a little diffrent go for it,
it is a "Arbitre" decision, explain and push the poing, that they are the in all but markings.

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From wickapedia

The L39A1 was a target-shooting variant produced for military full-bore shooting teams. It was similar to the L42A1, except it was fitted with Parker-Hale target tunnel front and micrometer-adjustable rear sights in lieu of the telescopic sight, and the butt had a curved pistol grip similar to the butt used on the No.8 .22 rifle. Since magazine loading was not required, the L39A1 had a .303 British magazine, the follower of which served as a loading platform for single shot use. The barrel was the same hammer-forged, heavy 7.62×51mm NATO version fitted to the L42A1.

The Enfield Enforcer was a police-specific sniper variant used by various British police forces from the early 1970s. It was similar to the L39A1, with a sporter style butt. It was provided with a high-quality East German-made Pecar Berlin telescopic sight. The telescope mounts were of commercial pattern; they did not resemble the No.4 Mk1(T) type screw-on mounts used on the L42A1. Target sights similar to those used on the L39A1 were also fitted to the Enforcer. The 7.62×51mm NATO magazine was fitted, and 767 were made.

The Enfield Envoy was similar to the L39A1, but was produced with a higher standard of external finish for sale on the civilian market. It had a fore-end of broader cross section and a sporter style butt.

So they are more or less the same.
so change mag for a 7.62.
Change cross
change sights.

that should work.

[read6737]

The L42A1 is not specificaly listed as a varient autharised it will come under Enfield n° 4 : Mod. 1932 x3.
as the L42A1 is No4 based, and because it uses the same scope and was a standard sniper issue it passes,
if you mount a 32 X3 then you are off.